Nolch&Alanzo on Scn haters

[PeterPier]

OMG! Next he'll start calling Jews "haters" when they complain about NAZISM. Only the criminally insane calls cult victims "haters" when they attack the cult that victimized them.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Some people didn't get enough (of the right sort of) attention as children, others got too much of it ... both types ended up being attention seeking brats as adults!

Apparently I received just the right amount and am completely perfect.

(Lotus ... don't say it, don't even think it!).

 

[dchoiceisalwaysrs]

OMG! Next he'll start calling Jews "haters" when they complain about NAZISM. Only the criminally insane calls cult victims "haters" when they attack the cult that victimized them.

I would not go to that extent of calling out criminally insane such actions.. However, I would point out that his using the pejorative hater towards those victims is a trait of a syndrome of malignant necrophilia because it attacks the victims of the criminally insane who have run the scientology organizations.

But maybe I am just splitting coiffed hairs.

 

[AndyNolchisOSA]

Andy Nolch and his supposedly anti-COS Scientology videos are part of an OSA psy-op. I have evidence of this, but I am not willing to reveal it as it will reveal my identity. You can believe it or not, your prerogative.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Andy Nolch and his supposedly anti-COS Scientology videos are part of an OSA psy-op. I have evidence of this, but I am not willing to reveal it as it will reveal my identity. You can believe it or not, your prerogative.

Welcome to ESMB and thanks for this .... he does appear to be a bit "strange" so it wouldn't totally surprise me but I don't think anyone around here really cares ... it's been impossible to take any of them seriously since they strapped/nailed cameras to their heads a few years ago in an attempt to intimidate Marty.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL48IKh7i4Y

 

[tesseract]

Andy Nolch and his supposedly anti-COS Scientology videos are part of an OSA psy-op. I have evidence of this, but I am not willing to reveal it as it will reveal my identity. You can believe it or not, your prerogative.

Without further proof, I'm not buying it. Let me explain why.
CoS has a playbook, laid out by their founder, and in the past they've been notoriously stuck to it, even though David Miscavige the great Führer could take a lot of artistic license - to actually behave more machiavellian, slyer, smarter in the handling of critics and criticism. Whether that'd mean in the individual cases to be more cruel or benevolent, is entirely up to him, I refer to "machiavellian" in the sense of what Machiavelli recommended in the book "The Prince". (Which everyone should read by the way, as it's no difficult or long read either.) That means to implement successful strategies for public relations, regardless of their ethical or unethical nature. That can mean to kill, threaten, deceive, slander, but also to bribe, remunerate, compliment or appease somebody, entirely depending on the requirements of the situation.
David Miscavige seems not to be stupid in the IQ sense, but he seems so emotionally immature and compromised by his narcissistic and vengeful issues that his scope is visibly limited in the face of a "threat". If David Miscavige were to take Machiavelli & Co. serious (or any paid "wog" advisor he could consult, for that matter) and apply strategies that actually are in his and CoS' best long term interest, then from time to time we should see something "benevolent" and appeasing. Not just hopelessly cheesy and pathetic faux "social betterment" photo ops but something that sways a bit more people than a handful of hopelessly dumbed down SJWs, or people who also are into crap like televangelists, or some religious scholars who are thoroughly corrupted by money or their own frantic urge to protect their religion from the growing pressure of atheism. Instead, the (faux) benevolent aspect is entirely missing in David Miscavige's playbook. If I look between the lines... With David Miscavige, it's stomp, stomp, whine, whine, hissyfit, whine, hissyfit, whine, threaten, *glugluglug*, stomp.
His priorities are flawed. We've been getting hate pages and "campaigns" whenever it's clear critics begin to piss him off personally, and not just when they're being particularly damaging to CoS.

In the light of the history of that unflexible decisions it is untypical for them/him to resort to anything like false-flagging an indie or teaming up with an indie, even if it's just about money.
It is something you or me might find halfways "smart" to do, but would Miscavige do it?
Please understand, in case you don't know, that there have been similar, unsubstantiated conspiracy theories in the past, - Emma is CoS, Emma's buddies are CoS, one third of ESMB are CoS (e.g. paid actors), Marty is CoS,... (Yes, there's some new data on that one which makes the case interesting again, acknowledged... but then, it looks more like Marty being a particularly stubborn stupid twat recently, maneuvring himself into a corner, rather than any elaborate long term strategy or scheme, for which he IMO is not clever enough.) I'm sure I forgot some. These people provided no proof and hardly any arguments as well, and would get angry when people wouldn't just take it all at face value.
I'm wondering, is the same going to happen here?
A lot of other people are going to react similar.
In the face of past similar CoS conspiracy theories which have been put out there notoriously unsubstantiated, please provide more proof, or at least arguments to sway us. Otherwise I'm asserting wishful thinking alone.

Personally I'm a big fan of Chris Shelton, and many people here are too. He has a hate page now, so it's clear he's annoying David Miscavige. Andy is a twat, and as CommunicatorIC points out aptly, a dangerous, fanatic fascist twat who should be watched closely. I have no vested reason to defend him or to assume he is CoS or not CoS (neither is a compliment ... for each of the parties ), aside from their past strategy of unequivocally antagonizing and harassing all independent scientologists. Your hypothesis that he is part of a CoS scheme is intriguing (I love to speculate about David Miscavige) but in the light of past events I'll remain sceptical.

 

[dchoiceisalwaysrs]

Andy Nolch and his supposedly anti-COS Scientology videos are part of an OSA psy-op. I have evidence of this, but I am not willing to reveal it as it will reveal my identity. You can believe it or not, your prerogative.

Maybe they are. Distraction can be a very useful part of a multi part OP.

A) find or create something of which is or will focus attention off of the B)main OP.

Magicians use this often. Shysters use it often. Hubbard used it often ( oh didn't I say that in the last sentence)

So what are the methods or steps for Psy-ops how do we know them? Can they be delineated then summarized? ... which of those are being used in this claimed OSA psy-op? Does the evidence which cannot be revealed at the moment support or point to such methods? If the 'evidence' doesn't support then maybe it is not really pertinant or valuable evidence?

Hell, I dont know...just discussing some thoughts around the issue.

 

[dchoiceisalwaysrs]

The reason to take Andy Nolch seriously and not treat him like a fucking joke.

As I indicated above above, anyone who talks about putting others in concentration camps and killing them should be treated seriously, and not like a fucking joke. I want to elaborate.

As noted in a comment on Tony's blog and on WWP, Jamie DeWolf posted this on his Facebook page:

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EYES OPEN: For all my friends and collective performance family, something you need to know.

I just got the disturbing news that a private investigator showed up at the front door of my ex girlfriend's house. I haven't seen her in almost ten years. He had a cover story about "representing parents of kids I may work with", asking if I'm a violent person, what are my 'past crimes', drug use, if I made adult films and even why we broke up, all under the guise of seeing if I was 'safe around children'. My ex is a special ed teacher and was trying to be helpful, defending me, thinking it was some extreme background check.

I had to break it to her that there are no parents, no kids and no background check. This was Scientology tactics 101, they've done this before the first time they came after me: cover story, invasive questions, all on a dirt digging mission. Sometimes the PI's don't even know who they work for. They either got sloppy or are trying to threaten me. Either way, ya'll need to know they're moving against me with the ultimate goal being some sort of frame up/ public smear campaign/ or worse. This is not paranoia, this is how they operate. As to why now? There's a lot going on behind the scenes. They probably want to take me out in whatever way before I can be more public about it. Research Paulette Cooper. There's a long list. I've been stalked by them before and have it on camera. I may be a walking bullseye, but they'll have to pull the trigger with everyone watching.

1) To all my arts community nation-wide: If someone is asking about me, no matter if they say it's the friggin' NY Times for a 'story', or a documentary, ask for an ID first, and please let me know ASAP so I can check them out in detail. They'll never identify themselves as a member, it will always have a cover story that sounds benign. You don't need to be scared of them, just take their info. If they show up at your house, take a picture of their license plate if you can. And ask them to leave. You don't have to answer anything ever.

2) I ain't scared of those sneaky slime-bags. I put my dirt in my life on stage and in performance. Trying to 'smear' a guy who writes true stories about drugs/suicide/sex while also performing in a clown troupe, hosting circus shows and being an out-loud idiot who will do anything for a laugh is the best they got. Doesn't matter if you like my art in anyway or don't like my sense of humor. I yam what I yam.

But you know what I don't do? Run a cult that devours families. You know what I haven't done? Blood sex magic rituals to bring about the end of the world and give me dominion over mankind. I don't know that magic trick. You know what else I don't do? Lie about my entire past and make myself a hero out of ashes so I can bleed you for money. Whatever dirty bomb you wanna lob at me, my great grand-dad did dirtier. And hey, being a rogue runs in the family. At least I can own my actions. L. Ron never could.

3) If something weird happens to me anytime soon from my car going off the road, to suddenly a half kilo of cocaine and bag of kiddie porn in my trunk, don't buy it for a second. I've been touring, performing and teaching for 20 years. I've worked in over 150 high schools, have gone through dozens of background checks and worked in prisons. It's a little late in the game if their angle is to make me some new criminal. When the inevitable hate website/smear campaign jumps up, ask why all of the sudden after 20 years I'm causing a new outrage.

4) And to the OSA agents no doubt reading all of this, I honestly feel sorry for you that you dedicate millions of dollars and hours to investigate me and anyone else that speaks out against the cult, without taking even an hour to investigate my great gandfather or your current leader. Ask yourself why his own blood family would speak out against them. Trust me, my life is a happy art explosion without that shadow over me. But these tactics only harden my resolve. And you ain't gonna keep punking people in the shadows and scaring us. You know where I live. Feel free to come by anytime.

5) And to anyone who thinks I milk this for 'fame' or 'money' has never had longer then a five minute conversation with me or been to any of my shows. My life is perfectly happy without this poison. It's a dark cesspool of misery, paranoia and all out awful to go near. You don't get to pick your family. The fact is, I was born into this and refuse to be bullied into silence. They've been getting away with it all for too long. And finally the world is starting to understand how dangerous they truly are and have always been. Truth will out. And empires fall.

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What does this have to do with Andy Nolch? It is relevant for the following reasons.

In the end of the day, evil is not done by organizations. It is in the end of the day evil is done by individuals. An INDIVIDUAL lies, smears, defames, harasses, attacks.

In the past evil was done by some of us. As individuals

The point is that someone like Andy Nolch who talks about how it would be "so much better" if certain people were put in concentration camps and killed will have NO problem running or participating in the ops against Jamie, and others, that Jamie describes.

Anyone who has adopted such an ends justify the means philosophy is dangerous. And should be taken seriously.

Thanks for this. I have recently read Erich Fromm's book "The nature of Human Destructiveness" . In the first few chapters a not of huge interest to me but they do lay some good ground for Part 3 where in my opinion the real very informative information lays. The title of that part is

The Varieties of Aggression and Destructiveness and Their Respective Conditions

It contains... this very pertinant information

Malignant Aggression:

Cruelty and Destructiveness 268 Apparent Destructiveness 268 Spontaneous Forms 270 The Historical Record 270 Vengeful Destructiveness 271 Ecstatic Destructiveness 274 The Worship of Destructiveness 276 Kern, von Salomon: A Clinical Case of Destruction Idolatry 276 The Destructive Character: Sadism 280 Examples of Sexual Sadism/Masochism 282 Joseph Stalin: A Clinical Case oj Nonsexual Sadism 285 The Nature oj Sadism 288 Conditions That Generate Sadism 296 Heinrich Himmler: A Clinical Case of Anal-Hoarding Sadism

pages 288-89
Against this, I propose that the core of sadism, common to all its manifestations, is the passion to have absolute and unrestricted control over a living being, whether an animal, a child, a man, or a woman. To force someone to endure pain or humiliation without being able to defend himself is one of the manifestations of absolute control, but it is by no means the only one. The person who has complete control over another living being makes this being into his thing, his property, while he becomes the other being's god. Sometimes the control can even be helpful, and in that case we might speak of a benevolent sadism, such as one finds in instances where one person rules another for the other's own good, and in fact furthers him in many ways, except that he keeps him in bondage. But most sadism is malevolent. Complete control over another human being means crippling him, choking him, thwarting him. Such control can have all forms and all degrees.

... It is the transformation of impotence into the experience of omnipotence; it is the religion of psychical cripples.