Clearing the USA

[HelluvaHoax!]

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. . . and MIKE THE OT MAGICIAN could do much more than just make a MEST playing card disappear.

He could also make a MEST charge card disappear.

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[HelluvaHoax!]

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How come every time i read the heading of this thread I start to hear Steve Miller's song: "Clearing In The USA"

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

I like this post Helena because it is illustrative of how Scientologists rationalize not demonstrating or not seeing Scientologists demonstrate OT abilities in a way that can be objectively verified.

The thinking goes, if OT powers are used to "prove" Scientology then that is an unethical application because the value and truth of Scientology is inherent and needs no proving and because it is out-ethics anything that is out-ethics causes the person to withhold their own abilities so they don't harm others. Anything that validates doubts about Scientology by providing proof is out-ethics. This thinking can be expanded to anything that doesn't use OT powers for the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics is out-ethics and likewise can cause a deterioration of OT abilities. Then since pretty much the only thing that is truly beneficial for the greatest number of dynamics is only things that are good for Scientology then any use of OT powers that isn't for the betterment of Scientology is out-ethics.

I don't recall if I've actually seen a reference on this but it is how I remember the mindset.

Standing Ovation for capturing the absurdist mindset of a Hubbardian cultist.

Scientology makes the able more able. But not able enough to use or show their abilities.

Because demonstrating that Scientology works is evil, whilst merely boasting it works is ethical.

It's Scientology. It doesn't have to make sense.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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1950 - 2018.

68 years of trying to "body route" wogs into the org.

24,208 days of using tricks to entice wogs into the org like the "Free Personality Test".

581,000 hours of stupid failing sales gimmicks.


All they would have had to do was have ONE (1) perform ONE (1) minor miracle.

But, no. Scientologists refused to show even one of their modest Clear or OT powers.

That would have produced over a billion new Scientologists.

It would have only taken one hour to set up a film crew and an international panel of scientists to observe and validate it.

But, Scientologists don't want to solve the problem of how to get people into the org.

I wonder why they don't want to evidence their OT powers when it is so simple.

LOL

 

[dchoiceisalwaysrs]

I wonder why they don't want to evidence their OT powers when it is so simple.

I used to imagine that it was because the Xenu suppressive types would attack earth(this planet) and possibly stop the passage of all scientologists and other earth-wogs from making the 'last chance out'.

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But now I think it was that EL Con was paranoid about the real non-Xenu tax authorities chasing him down and pulling the pillars down on his bridge and putting El Con in Xenu's prison without an eternal battery powered e-emeter.

 

[Alien3]

Whatever happened to Perth becoming the first Clear City ?

 

[Alien3]

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1950 - 2018.

68 years of trying to "body route" wogs into the org.

24,208 days of using tricks to entice wogs into the org like the "Free Personality Test".

581,000 hours of stupid failing sales gimmicks.


All they would have had to do was have ONE (1) perform ONE (1) minor miracle.

But, no. Scientologists refused to show even one of their modest Clear or OT powers.

That would have produced over a billion new Scientologists.

It would have only taken one hour to set up a film crew and an international panel of scientists to observe and validate it.

But, Scientologists don't want to solve the problem of how to get people into the org.

I wonder why they don't want to evidence their OT powers when it is so simple.

LOL

I dont think TomCat was using his OT powers when someone threw a vessel of water on him. He looked completely shocked and was quite angry. This was some years ago.

 

[JustSheila]

Please tell us as many stories as possible about that.

Seriously.

You have no idea how hilarious that entire concept is to me. I never heard this before. Never saw Michael doing any magic tricks.

I thought someone was joking when they once said that it had something to do with OT powers.

Are you seriously telling me that Scientologists seriously thought his magic tricks were OT miracles?

I am having so much trouble believing that ever happened even one time.

Please tell more.

lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

You got it!

I was around 19-20 years old when I worked as a cashier and collections officer at AOLA. The cashier office was on the first floor, just a few doors away from Michael Silverman's office. Michael had the very first reg office, next to AOLA's front doors.

Some evenings (not very often) Michael would entertain the clears and OTs in AOLA reception. The reception area is/was directly in front of the front doors, with the SOLO C/S office, which was built as a sort of L-shaped office also off reception. So those on OT levels would often be in reception waiting for their folders.

Michael was married to Pat Silverman then, but around this time divorced her and married Ruth, who was a reg at ASHO. It was all amicable enough and he remained friends with Pat. Pat was, interestingly, usually around when Michael did his tricks, but she was rarely at AOLA in those days. They'd been married for many years and she described some of his other card tricks to me.

Michael claimed his tricks worked better on the Clears than the OTs and would ask for volunteers. His tricks always drew a lot of public to reception. He seemed to choose random people, sometimes public, sometimes staff. Of course, I remember the one time he chose me the best. I had recently attested to Natural Clear (lol lol lol guys).

Pick a card, any card. Well, Michael didn't know I'd grown up with my grandfather teaching me card games and some basic tricks, so I chose a card stuck underneath another around his palm. The trick didn't work, even after several times, lol.

"Think of your favorite card." Again, I knew a few basics. If you're a woman, don't ever think of the Queen of Hearts or any queens. If you're a man, don't think of any kings. So that trick didn't work, either, so he picked someone else and said something about me thinking too fast for him. lol lol lol lol

With the next person, a staff member who hadn't done much auditing and was a bit on the slow side, all the tricks worked. He even had other people (public, not staff) think of cards and asked them what card they thought of and if that was the card the man was thinking about. That was super weird and it actually worked.

The card on the other side of the window trick was a different time. Michael asked, "Is that your card over there?" and we all looked and there it was, on the other side of the window, missing from the deck.

He would make cards and other things appear different places, of course, behind your ear, wherever.

He had a great sense of humor and was always praising people for being too sharp or fast for him or for having the ability to read minds. At the time, it seemed at the time like he could really perceive others' thoughts and read Clears' minds and like all OTs could read Clears, too. Michael was extremely sharp and very perceptive to even the smallest nuances or responses from others.

As a reg, Michael was far more honest in some ways than the others, so I liked him. He made sure that people understood how compound interest and simple interest worked and explained and figured out how much interest people would be paying over time and if they could afford it. He often worked up packages at old rates (like $1200 for all the OT levels), which infuriated the C/O. He also made a lot of book commissions.

 

[JustSheila]

Michael Silverman lived on base. He lived in the Main building of the complex for years, and I saw his room there once, when I was sent to get him for something or other. There was nothing exceptional about it, beyond being just a bit larger than most other rooms. That surprised me. He had good furnishings, a nice bed and things like that, and I think a good stereo system, but that was about it. I had expected something lavish and fancy with all he made from reg commissions, but no, it wasn't anything like what the execs at Flag enjoyed and he put in long hours for many, many years, usually working 7 days/week. He believed in Scientology.

I believe he was later moved to the Fountain building and those were small apartments so bigger, but none of them were very nice. The C/O AOLA lived there.

Enid Byrne (another AOLA reg), but also a Lieutenant or something, since she'd been around since the early days, had a much nicer dwelling she shared with James, but still, nothing to brag about.

I often wondered what the reges and execs or those who sold a lot of books did with their money. They had nice cars and a bit of nice furniture but that was about it. Maybe savings. Michael would have saved some money, he was smart that way, but he clearly never intended to leave Scientology so I really didn't know what he did with all his commissions and always wondered. He explains a whole lot more in his response to Mike Rinder. It turned out he helped out some Scientologists and also gave away half his commissions to staff and others who sent prospects to him. That figures. Michael wasn't a greedy person. I'm pretty sure he also financially supported Pat Silverman when she left the Sea Org. He really loved her - and Ruthie, too.

Michael Silverman was and is one of a kind. Where Nicole played barracuda, Michael was actually a sweet man and a generous soul. He spent many hours after post hours helping staff and others with their problems.

 

[Helena Handbasket]

Saying 'It seems super-duper powers ...' Where are you getting this information from Helena? In all the years I spent in scientology I never encountered one individual, no matter what 'OT' level they were at, able to do anything remotely 'super-duper', and I'm willing to bet that goes for every other member or reader of this message board.

While I've heard stories, I've never ever saw anybody demonstrate any kind of OT powers. What I have heard, many times, is "I don't do parlor tricks" when someone asks someone to demonstrate advanced skills. This suggests either (a) they can't do anything beyond the ordinary, or (b) they can but they are holding back on their "smart bombs" until they really need them.

All I know is what I've read. I have seen no proof, nor can I offer any.

I can say I'm mildly telepathic -- about a P-1 in Babylon 5 terms.

(The above clip is provided for entertainment purposes.)

Helena

 

[strativarius]

While I've heard stories, I've never ever saw anybody demonstrate any kind of OT powers. What I have heard, many times, is "I don't do parlor tricks" when someone asks someone to demonstrate advanced skills. This suggests either (a) they can't do anything beyond the ordinary, or (b) they can but they are holding back on their "smart bombs" until they really need them.

All I know is what I've read. I have seen no proof, nor can I offer any.

I can say I'm mildly telepathic -- about a P-1 in Babylon 5 terms.

(The above clip is provided for entertainment purposes.)

Helena

I think your suggestion (a) is the real state of affairs Helena.

About telepathy. While I rubbish most of the stuff Mimsey says about that kind of thing I have to admit that when you've been living with/married to one individual for a relatively long time (as I was at one stage), a sort of telepathy does develop between you. That's my experience anyway, ymmv.

 

[guanoloco]

^^^^^^ Exactly!

And they would achieve all that on simple word-of-mouth advertising. No Super Bowl commercials needed.

If Hubbard just got each member (including himself) to bring in an average of one additional member per year, everyone on the planet would be a Scientologist by 1983. Here's how it would work:

1950 - 1 Scientologist (LRH)
1951 - 2
1952 - 4
1953 - 8
1954 - 16
1955 - 32
1956 - 64
1957 - 128
1958 - 256
1959 - 512
1960 - 1024
1961 - 2048
1962 - 4096
1963 - 8192
1964- 16,384
1965 - 32,768
1966 - 65,536
1967 - 131,072
1968 262,144
1969 524,288
1970 1,048,576
1971 2,097,052
1972 4,194,104
1973 8,388,208
1974 16,776,416
1975 33,552,832
1976 65,105,664

1977 130,211,328
1978 260,422,656
1979 520,845,312

1980 1,041,690,624
1981 2,042,381,248
1982 4,084,762,496
1983 8,169,524,992

Note, the world population back in '83 was only about 4.7 billion, so this calculation would take into consideration the ones who died since 1950.

Certainly it IS fair to expect each member to bring in an average of one additional member per year IF we're talking about a discovery more significant than the invention of the wheel, which was what was asserted in Dianetics, Book I:
https://tonyortega.org/wp-content/c...ianetics-part-2-the-state-of-clear/index.html

From 1983 onwards everyone would just need to co-audit each other up to Clear, and voila, we have a Cleared planet!

Only problem being is that not a SINGLE Clear has been created as of yet with the abilities promised by Hubbard.

More people wanted a Pet Rock than what Hubbard was selling:

What about "we come back"? Wouldn't that accelerate this?

Incidentally, Ron rose above "we come back". I think it's because, having rid himself of all BTs, he is no longer a "we" but an "I"...so, technically, this doesn't apply.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

What about "we come back"? Wouldn't that accelerate this?

Incidentally, Ron rose above "we come back". I think it's because, having rid himself of all BTs, he is no longer a "we" but an "I"...so, technically, this doesn't apply.

LOL

Hubbard's bunko, de-bunked!

Unless......

"We Come Back" is just Hubbard's numbingly nuanced narcissistic nosism.

 

[Type4_PTS]

Michael Silverman was and is one of a kind. Where Nicole played barracuda, Michael was actually a sweet man and a generous soul. He spent many hours after post hours helping staff and others with their problems.

That's very much the impression I got from him as well during the times I had been around him.

I never worked at AOLA but he came to Boston Org 2-3 times during my time there in the 80's, and then later when I was in LA I attended a couple seminars he did there.

One of them had nothing to do with Scientology, rather it was on a method to make money. He had a mastery over the game of Blackjack, to the point where he had a small advantage over the house at the Vegas casinos. And when you can gain an advantage over the house you're not gambling anymore. So he actually did a seminar at AOLA (back around 1986-87) on how to duplicate what he was doing.

It was fascinating but I never did do it back then as I was too busy and broke from my involvement in Scientology to ever do it. I'm pretty sure that the casinos have since made adjustments so to make it much more difficult to do what he was doing. Maybe I'll have to send him a message and ask him about this.

 

[strativarius]

<snip>He had a mastery over the game of Blackjack, to the point where he had a small advantage over the house at the Vegas casinos. And when you can gain an advantage over the house you're not gambling anymore.<snip>

He was counting the cards, that is to say he made a (mental) note of the value of the cards that had appeared, and therefore knew the value of the ones that remained in the 'shoe'. All casino Pit Bosses (I was one) know how to spot a card-counter (and various other stroke-pullers), and they don't usually last long before they are shown the door, especially in places like Vegas.

With the value of hindsight of course, politely (or not so politely) inviting card-counters to leave seems a bit callous. They're not interfering with the 'apparatus' in any way as one might tamper with a roulette wheel for instance, they are simply bringing to bear a skill involving a good memory for the most part. What it boils down to is that the majority of blackjack players cross the road without looking left or right first and leave mostly everything to chance, whereas a card-counter does look, and consequently has a better idea of what's coming.

No casino manager is going to tolerate that though unfortunately.

ETA: Of course, whether you're counting cards or not, if you have an idiot sitting in the last occupied seat to the dealer's right, then no matter how good you are at card-counting he can really screw things up for you by drawing when seasoned players know not to draw or by doing the opposite.

Gambling is a mug's game, the casino is always going to kill you in the end.

 

[Type4_PTS]

He was counting the cards, that is to say he made a (mental) note of the value of the cards that had appeared, and therefore knew the value of the ones that remained in the 'shoe'. All casino Pit Bosses (I was one) know how to spot a card-counter (and various other stroke-pullers), and they don't usually last long before they are shown the door, especially in places like Vegas.

Sure, that was part of it, but there was much more as well. I lost my notes from the seminar otherwise I'd post a screenshot up here.

And if I recall correctly, he did acknowledge that it got to the point where he was quickly shown the door at various casinos.

Have casinos made changes in the past 30 years or so to make it more difficult for these types?

Back when I attended the seminar (32 years ago) he mentioned that the casinos had recently start using additional decks of cards, which made it more difficult but he said he could still be successful.

 

[strativarius]

Sure, that was part of it, but there was much more as well. I lost my notes from the seminar otherwise I'd post a screenshot up here.

And if I recall correctly, he did acknowledge that it got to the point where he was quickly shown the door at various casinos.

Have casinos made changes in the past 30 years or so to make it more difficult for these types?

Back when I attended the seminar (32 years ago) he mentioned that the casinos had recently start using additional decks of cards, which made it more difficult but he said he could still be successful.

There's not really any other way of trying to improve your chances of winning at blackjack other than card-counting T4.

Yes, additional decks have been in use for decades now to make it more difficult, but it is still a viable way to win.

 

[Type4_PTS]

There's not really any other way of trying to improve your chances of winning at blackjack other than card-counting T4.

Yes, additional decks have been in use for decades now to make it more difficult, but it is still a viable way to win.

How can the Pit Boss identify those who are card counting?

 

[TheOriginalBigBlue]

The only mindset I remember in respect of this issue was - "We don't do any funky shit with our OT abilities because it would freak the wogs out!"

Ah, the out-R (Reality) rational. Like if Scientologists really could make ashtrays stand up in chairs then it would cause a big PR problem.

Of course this would attract unwanted attention from the intelligence agencies. If we could levitate ashtrays then we might be able to remote view nuclear missile silos as well and Ron couldn't let this happen until there were enough OTs to control all the world's SPs, especially in the Kremlin and Interpol.

 

[guanoloco]

Ah, the out-R (Reality) rational. Like if Scientologists really could make ashtrays stand up in chairs then it would cause a big PR problem.

Of course this would attract unwanted attention from the intelligence agencies. If we could levitate ashtrays then we might be able to remote view nuclear missile silos as well and Ron couldn't let this happen until there were enough OTs to control all the world's SPs, especially in the Kremlin and Interpol.

The real stupid is...if Scientology worked...why release it to the world as such and risk its existence by SP attack?

I mean...if it really factually made people at Cause over MEST then why not take an elite cadre of people to some super duper level of OT and have them drop the bods and then either take over world leaders or strategically place themselves as heirs apparent of the world leaders so as to quietly take over all the Power positions?

And, come to think of it, it wouldn't have to be an either/or scenario. Do both. Go ahead and do the world dissemination but instead of screwing around trying to clear Ron's files in the IRS why not do the above?

Answer: because Scientology doesn't work.