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Quite bluntly it means you bring chaos to an otherwise peaceful environment. If you need further explanation, just ask.No I don't.
Please explain.
Quite bluntly it means you bring chaos to an otherwise peaceful environment. If you need further explanation, just ask.No I don't.
Please explain.
When I left Scientology, I would never have called it a "cult". I, too, would have called it a "minority religion". That's because I was still wrapped in the belief system.That's because your whole frame of reference regarding Scientology now uses the terms, and the beliefs, of the anticult movement.
You are literally in a belief system, yet again, that is causing you to see these issues through those filters.
These filters are not the truth. They are beliefs based on emotional bullshit and pseudoscience.
Sorry to call your belief system regarding minority religions emotional bullshit and pseudoscience, but here we are.
I could say the exact same thing about you.That's because your whole frame of reference regarding Scientology now uses the terms, and the beliefs, of the anticult movement.
You are literally in a belief system, yet again, that is causing you to see these issues through those filters.
These filters are not the truth. They are beliefs based on emotional bullshit and pseudoscience.
Sorry to call your belief system regarding minority religions emotional bullshit and pseudoscience, but here we are.
This used to be my belief system too.
Beat you to it.I could say the exact same thing about you.
No need to wonder, Paul, I answered that in the video.
If there’s one reason that I’m doing these videos, it’s because these ideas from the anti cult movement are destructive to an Ex-Scientologist, or an Ex-member of any minority religion that they call “cult”. And they’re just beliefs – they’re not not facts.There are other ways to believe. There are alternative explanations for what you did when you were a Scientologist and this is why I’m saying what I’m saying.When I call somebody a fanatic, I don’t call them a fanatic because it’s in their DNA. I specifically say that they don’t need to be a fanatic. They don’t need to run these anti cult movement beliefs on people, and control all the message boards so that everybody only espouses the beliefs of the anti cult movement – which is what all the Snow Suzy properties do. I’m against that.I’m not for David Miscavige. David Miscavige is a violent psychopath. He should not be running the Church of Scientology. He shouldn’t be running a taco stand!It’s the anti cult movement beliefs that I’m talking about.They’re doo-doo. They’re poop!When you examine them, they just evaporate.And that leaves you with an alternative way to explain your involvement in Scientology to yourself that is much more productive, much more positive and constructive. And actually more true, as well.I appreciate your review.Here's the link: https://alanzosblog.com/the-anti-cult-movement/
Well, my pa always did say "Don't get in a pissing match with a skunk".Beat you to it.
I said, "This used to be my belief system too".
Too late.Well, my pa always did say "Don't get in a pissing match with a skunk".
Hello Clay PigeonI don't think DM is a violent psychopath; his conduct appears normal for an NCO
Alanzo is saying that to get "street cred."I don't think DM is a violent psychopath; his conduct appears normal for an NCO
Why do I want Mike Rinder to expose the criminal activity he engaged in when he worked with David Miscavige for 22 years as CO OSA?Alanzo is saying that to get "street cred."
He doesn't really believe it.
That means that your brand of impotence doesn't work either. How bout that.Why do I want Mike Rinder to expose the criminal activity he engaged in when he worked with David Miscavige for 22 years as CO OSA?
Because criminal forensics is what will finally take DM out of power.
You do realize Veda, that the whole time you have been a critic of Scientology - which is a LONG time - you have never changed the fact that David Miscavige is still in power, still doing whatever he wants to Scientologists.
Your brand of impotence in this matter has been duly noted.
I would hardly call Veda impotent. He has been very effective in educating folks here on ESMB about Cults. I have not always gotten on great with Veda, but I have never disrespected him or thought of him as anything other than effective.Your brand of impotence in this matter has been duly noted.
No.That's true.
In Casino's they have people called "chillers", all they have to do is stand next to people who are winning, and they start losing.
Know what I mean?
First, don't try to use the gimmick of presenting yourself as an adversary of Miscavige. You're using his PR playbook for protecting the Scientology Inc./"Church" operation, and the PR playbook for protecting him and his successors.Why do I want Mike Rinder to expose the criminal activity he engaged in when he worked with David Miscavige for 22 years as CO OSA?
Because criminal forensics is what will finally take DM out of power.
You do realize Veda, that the whole time you have been a critic of Scientology - which is a LONG time - you have never changed the fact that David Miscavige is still in power, still doing whatever he wants to Scientologists.
Your brand of impotence in this matter has been duly noted.
You are so tiring.First, don't try to use the gimmick of presenting yourself as an adversary of Miscavige. You're using his PR playbook for protecting the Scientology Inc./"Church" operation, and the PR playbook for protecting him and his successors.
Holy crap! You are so insightful! Here I was missing the "real who" but your Data Evaluation has uncovered the "Real Who"!!!!You are so tiring.
I studied social science in college. It's a subject filled with highly trained and honest people who have tried their best to study cultures and sub-cultures, and to do this in an objective way. There have been spectacular failures in the past, such as with Aum. But in the main, these people study this part of life so that we can better understand the dynamics between the group and the individual in our tribal species.
Of course, cults, as sub-cultures, belong to their field of study.
One of the things that got me out of the toxic bullshit of anti-Scientology was to step back from the monolithic view of Scientology that you continually express, and to question the assumptions I'd been operating on for so long as an anti.
This resulted in my generally calming down about Scientology, no longer fearful of the DANGER I felt whenever someone might give scientology a pass.
But it also sharpened my focus on exactly where the problem is in Scientology:
INT BASE
Int Base is where ALL the criminality and abuse comes from in Scientology, and ALWAYS has. The farther you get from Int Base, the less criminal and abusive Scientology is.
So I now see that the target for correction is INT BASE.
Who runs Int Base?
David Miscavige.
Your problem, Veda, is that if someone should disagree with your view - no matter their reasoning - then they are an OSA Agent.
Sit back. Relax. Have a creme soda.
Never said anything like this. Otherwise, a well-crafted argument.Here's the thing. Alanzo seems to want to view Hubbard and Scientology as though there was some kind of clean break or defining moment when all of Hubbard's involvement with real cults and the actual occult stopped and had absolutely no influence on the development of Scientology but a close study of Scientology, how the organization is run and how they behave shows many similarities.
Ah! And there it is! After Alanzo discovers the "Correct Who" he explains the "Correct Handling":Never said anything like this. Otherwise, a well-crafted argument.
I was familiar with Crowley and Gnosticism before Scientology. And Scientology's gnostic viewpoint was one of my initial draws. Elaine Pagels in her book Beyond Belief clarified my search in my early 20's very well for me. The difference between Eastern Religions and Western Religions were their routes to salvation. Eastern religions taught that your route to salvation was through Knowledge (gnosis). Western religions taught that your route to salvation was through faith.
I had chosen knowledge. I'd studied TM and was in the first stage of studying Buddhism when I encountered Scientology. It was the cornfields in the 1980's. There weren't many books on Buddhism available to me at the time and Scientology seemed like the way to go for me.
To this day, at that time of my life, I know it was the right move for me to have gotten myself involved in Scientology. Of the 16 years I was involved, I probably stayed 6 years too long.
As far as your description of Scientology from your experience, here's my answer:
I spent my time in missions. You sound like you spent most of your time in the SO.
The SO was not the "elite" in Scientology. They were the fanatics. They were vetted as the Scientologists who would most easily comply with orders with no backflash. They were not the "causative beings". They were the sheep.
And the Int Base? They were the worst of the worst.
The overwhelming majority of Scientologists were never in the SO, and never would be.
The overwhelming majority of Scientologists never harmed anyone, and never would.
The abuse and criminality in Scientology originated with Hubbard, and continue with Miscavige. But both Hubbard and Miscavige had a very difficult time making ALL scientologists into criminals. In fact it is impossible.
My untested theory: Scientology is such an authoritarian structure that if you cut off the criminal at the head, you will cause the criminality to greatly diminish, if not cease completely.
That decapitation can not be achieved through lawsuits.
I believe it must be achieved through criminal prosecution.
The guys who know all the crimes who are not Miscavige?
Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder.
And Marty's not talking any more.
Mike Rinder has NEVER TALKED.
"Non Commisioned Officer"Hello Clay Pigeon
Long time no see.
What's an "NCO"?