I am genuinely curious as to an opinion on right and wrong concerning the following situation.
That I have been labeled as OSA by a few people on this board is well known. While the simple labeling doesn't particularly bother me, that friends are being "assaulted" for remaining friends or not buying such, especially on back channel lines, does. Makes it personal.
Three people seem to be the public originators of all the rumors.
Dexter Gelfand was and still is the most vocal, quoting a secret source who can't go public.
Carmello, on other threads, was man or woman (I don't know this person at all) enough to admit his/her data came straight form the church, an OSA PR/External influence handling person, naming names. Don't know this person, but hope we get to meet some day.
The third, actually coming after the fact, was I believe, an honest if misinformed emotional mistake. Someone I spoke often to; I backed away from because of things she was saying about other people I liked and respected ... I wasn't going to take sides, was being pulled into the conflict and felt she didn't want to resolve issues. So she apparently thinks I was just milking data and moved on, making me a likely OSA agent. I can and will handle this by simply following time lines that my contact with her was not even during any particularly sensitive periods.
The vehemence of Dexters ongoing efforts really made me wonder. It has been suggested that Freezoners are prone to tin foil theories; I don't know enough to comment, but as policy refuse to apply or think with generalities.
Some of Dexters statements had shreds of truth, and there were somewhat accurate details that indicated someone I knew or had personal contact with me.
With my snow day and time to reminisce and research, I realized who this person was and we had real bad blood between us, this goes back to my days in Scientology, he was a Scientologist and is now a secret freezoner. I considered him a close friend and I gave him some money as an investment in what I later found out was illegal foreign currency trading.
To give you an idea the contract supposedly allowed him on a monthly basis to take half the profits, but share not in losses. No accountants involved, no certified statements, investments climbing at 5-20% per month, with him taking half, and periodic losses, but him not sharing in the losses. Do the math, incredible for his side.
Though I was nervous about the setup and execution, what motivated me to back out of the deal was his non scio sibling (I was friends with much of his family) pulling me aside and telling me that I needed to watch my back, get out, this brother was a pathological liar with a long string of consecutive business failures, cons, fake college degrees, criminality and all the rest. Though I still couldn't imagine my friend as a total criminal nor did I as a Scio know what a pathological liar was, I could verify a few of his past misdeeds and wanted out; I was scared. I was happy to be friends, but didn't want to have financial dealings. He didn't want to remain friends without my money.
I wanted my money out immediately, he got upset, I got upset, he threatened me, I threatened reporting him to the feds, he threatened me professionally and through the COS, that I would be expelled for reporting him, a scientologist in good standing. I consulted an attorney, tried to get them in touch. All profits magically disappeared in trading losses that day (no documentation provided of course), and I was offered my initial investment back with little more. I took it, happy to get out whole. I got docs here.
This guy made one subsequent attempt to get in touch, saying he wanted to apologize. I asked what he was apologizing for. He said for being arrogant, after a minute or two of deliberation. Didn't quite do it for me, and while we may have had a couple of social contacts, it felt more like he was pumping me for business contacts, and the relationship quickly floundered.
I had heard through the grape vine that Dallas Org, then CC Dallas I believe, declared him PTS type criminal, or possibly SP declare, because he was getting investment money out of Scio public and apparently loosing it or not generating promised returns or returning funds as promised.
Other than that I heard his name every year or two being involved in different groups of ex scios. But other than that, I hadn't seriously thought of the guy in probably 5-8 years. Until now.
I have learned a lot about the power of the internet. A Lexus Nexus search shows that he is being sued for bad investment deals, reading the law suits, it doesn't seem the plaintiffs have figured out his past, much of which was done under slight variations of his name, companies or his new wife. They don't seem to have figured out his scientology involvements. There are blogs up on the internet searching for data on him.
My question? What do I do?
Do I tell my side of the whole story here, naming names and all the rest?
Do I create a private email using "back channels" to discredit the source?
Do I approach the Plaintiffs suing him and offer information?
I have no real liability with going public (verified by my attorney) if everything is factual. Including publishing of docs I have.
Do I just let it all go and turn the other cheek? I don't care to be involved with him again in any form.
Is his wife complicit in his financial scams, or just an innocent naive patsy in his game as his sibling told me? If I make my data public and he goes to Jail, do I want that responsibility towards his family?
Even though he is obviously covertly spreading stuff on me, is the high road just to turn the other cheek?
Speculation: Was he in fact running a ponzi scheme? Has he made some sort of deal with the COS for their support in exchange for keeping them out of the media and litigation, not wanting another splash of scientologist ponzi scam artist fall out? The church is keeping his history of scamming public from authorities to protect themselves, instructing public not to sue him for the greater good?
Speculation: Is he still playing both sides of the fence, soliciting investments and money from both freezone folks and Church public, either under his own name or other names or his wife and doesn't want his name spread because it shuts down his gig?
Does this change the moral responsibility of casting the light of truth about to see if this is in fact a Scientology cover-up?
Can in fact a COS declare be valid? Lol, when is an SP really an SP??
That I have been labeled as OSA by a few people on this board is well known. While the simple labeling doesn't particularly bother me, that friends are being "assaulted" for remaining friends or not buying such, especially on back channel lines, does. Makes it personal.
Three people seem to be the public originators of all the rumors.
Dexter Gelfand was and still is the most vocal, quoting a secret source who can't go public.
Carmello, on other threads, was man or woman (I don't know this person at all) enough to admit his/her data came straight form the church, an OSA PR/External influence handling person, naming names. Don't know this person, but hope we get to meet some day.
The third, actually coming after the fact, was I believe, an honest if misinformed emotional mistake. Someone I spoke often to; I backed away from because of things she was saying about other people I liked and respected ... I wasn't going to take sides, was being pulled into the conflict and felt she didn't want to resolve issues. So she apparently thinks I was just milking data and moved on, making me a likely OSA agent. I can and will handle this by simply following time lines that my contact with her was not even during any particularly sensitive periods.
The vehemence of Dexters ongoing efforts really made me wonder. It has been suggested that Freezoners are prone to tin foil theories; I don't know enough to comment, but as policy refuse to apply or think with generalities.
Some of Dexters statements had shreds of truth, and there were somewhat accurate details that indicated someone I knew or had personal contact with me.
With my snow day and time to reminisce and research, I realized who this person was and we had real bad blood between us, this goes back to my days in Scientology, he was a Scientologist and is now a secret freezoner. I considered him a close friend and I gave him some money as an investment in what I later found out was illegal foreign currency trading.
To give you an idea the contract supposedly allowed him on a monthly basis to take half the profits, but share not in losses. No accountants involved, no certified statements, investments climbing at 5-20% per month, with him taking half, and periodic losses, but him not sharing in the losses. Do the math, incredible for his side.
Though I was nervous about the setup and execution, what motivated me to back out of the deal was his non scio sibling (I was friends with much of his family) pulling me aside and telling me that I needed to watch my back, get out, this brother was a pathological liar with a long string of consecutive business failures, cons, fake college degrees, criminality and all the rest. Though I still couldn't imagine my friend as a total criminal nor did I as a Scio know what a pathological liar was, I could verify a few of his past misdeeds and wanted out; I was scared. I was happy to be friends, but didn't want to have financial dealings. He didn't want to remain friends without my money.
I wanted my money out immediately, he got upset, I got upset, he threatened me, I threatened reporting him to the feds, he threatened me professionally and through the COS, that I would be expelled for reporting him, a scientologist in good standing. I consulted an attorney, tried to get them in touch. All profits magically disappeared in trading losses that day (no documentation provided of course), and I was offered my initial investment back with little more. I took it, happy to get out whole. I got docs here.
This guy made one subsequent attempt to get in touch, saying he wanted to apologize. I asked what he was apologizing for. He said for being arrogant, after a minute or two of deliberation. Didn't quite do it for me, and while we may have had a couple of social contacts, it felt more like he was pumping me for business contacts, and the relationship quickly floundered.
I had heard through the grape vine that Dallas Org, then CC Dallas I believe, declared him PTS type criminal, or possibly SP declare, because he was getting investment money out of Scio public and apparently loosing it or not generating promised returns or returning funds as promised.
Other than that I heard his name every year or two being involved in different groups of ex scios. But other than that, I hadn't seriously thought of the guy in probably 5-8 years. Until now.
I have learned a lot about the power of the internet. A Lexus Nexus search shows that he is being sued for bad investment deals, reading the law suits, it doesn't seem the plaintiffs have figured out his past, much of which was done under slight variations of his name, companies or his new wife. They don't seem to have figured out his scientology involvements. There are blogs up on the internet searching for data on him.
My question? What do I do?
Do I tell my side of the whole story here, naming names and all the rest?
Do I create a private email using "back channels" to discredit the source?
Do I approach the Plaintiffs suing him and offer information?
I have no real liability with going public (verified by my attorney) if everything is factual. Including publishing of docs I have.
Do I just let it all go and turn the other cheek? I don't care to be involved with him again in any form.
Is his wife complicit in his financial scams, or just an innocent naive patsy in his game as his sibling told me? If I make my data public and he goes to Jail, do I want that responsibility towards his family?
Even though he is obviously covertly spreading stuff on me, is the high road just to turn the other cheek?
Speculation: Was he in fact running a ponzi scheme? Has he made some sort of deal with the COS for their support in exchange for keeping them out of the media and litigation, not wanting another splash of scientologist ponzi scam artist fall out? The church is keeping his history of scamming public from authorities to protect themselves, instructing public not to sue him for the greater good?
Speculation: Is he still playing both sides of the fence, soliciting investments and money from both freezone folks and Church public, either under his own name or other names or his wife and doesn't want his name spread because it shuts down his gig?
Does this change the moral responsibility of casting the light of truth about to see if this is in fact a Scientology cover-up?
Can in fact a COS declare be valid? Lol, when is an SP really an SP??
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There is no staute of limitations on truth. There is a silent compliance that could be unsavory. Just offer your piece of the puzzle and file it away. Sad to say how many others failed to report this and how much could have been avoided. 
