Sindy
Crusader
I realize this is a bit long but, please bear with me.
Being on ESMB has been a godsend in terms of helping me untangle from the cult. I am sure I still have indoctrination to shed but, as of right now, I feel like I've come to a nice, calm, peaceful and educated position about Scientology and my involvement in it over the last 25 years.
I don't want to sound too flowery but, I cannot express how grateful I am to all the contributors on ESMB. ALL of you have helped me and so many others. I don't have the words to say how thankful I am, but, thank you.
The other day I had a great epiphany on my favorite Hoaxie thread, http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=21633 and since then have felt pretty complete, in my world, about the Scientology puzzle.
There is only one thing I cannot reconcile, one thing that I cannot understand and therefore it plagues my mind. It has to do with Pro-Scientologists.
My desire and intention is that this thread would NOT be polarizing but would be illuminating so that understanding can take place.
I am starting this thread to get sincere discussion and not to get a war going. So, after I ask my questions, I would like to suggest some ground rules that I believe would be helpful. Hey, I'm not a Mod and I'm not the free speech police, I just think they might lead to a better thread, that's all. At least give them some consideration, please.
Okay, my questions are these:
Knowing what you know now about LRH, his pathological lying, moments of great cruelty, his intentions and orders re: Paulette Cooper, his "Admissions", his plagiarism, his past psychiatric problems, the manner of his death, his life on the lam, his treatment of his own wife and children, etc., etc., etc.:
1) How do you, in your own mind, get past those things so that you can still read his books and listen to his lectures as if he were an authority on the very subjects that he, himself, failed so miserably at demonstrating?
I am not asking this in a snide or derisive fashion, I am coming from a place of respect, for you, and assuming that you are not stupid but must have some logical way that you can do this that I simply cannot see.
2) Since there are no Scientific studies on the techniques of Scientology and because the voluminous case studies Ron cites in Dianetics are apparently a lie, and because the end goal of Clear and OT has never been demonstrated, then:
......................a) What are your goals with respect to the these uncertain procedures?
......................b) Do you still want to do your OT Levels even though they don't produce OTs? If so, why?
3) Are you still of the belief that mankind's only hope is Scientology or are you just trying to help others feel better with Scientology --- more like some form of therapy?
4) Can you honestly say that you have researched and confronted all of the past information, regarding Hubbard, that you were not allowed to look at while in the church or are there some things you just don't care to look at?
It would be very helpful and enlightening if you could copy the questions and answer below each one. I seriously do not understand and I really want to.
It would also be helpful if those who are not of the same opinion would used logical arguments to make their points instead of using Ad Hominems. (Hey, I guess that's the only ground rule )
Being on ESMB has been a godsend in terms of helping me untangle from the cult. I am sure I still have indoctrination to shed but, as of right now, I feel like I've come to a nice, calm, peaceful and educated position about Scientology and my involvement in it over the last 25 years.
I don't want to sound too flowery but, I cannot express how grateful I am to all the contributors on ESMB. ALL of you have helped me and so many others. I don't have the words to say how thankful I am, but, thank you.
The other day I had a great epiphany on my favorite Hoaxie thread, http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=21633 and since then have felt pretty complete, in my world, about the Scientology puzzle.
There is only one thing I cannot reconcile, one thing that I cannot understand and therefore it plagues my mind. It has to do with Pro-Scientologists.
My desire and intention is that this thread would NOT be polarizing but would be illuminating so that understanding can take place.
I am starting this thread to get sincere discussion and not to get a war going. So, after I ask my questions, I would like to suggest some ground rules that I believe would be helpful. Hey, I'm not a Mod and I'm not the free speech police, I just think they might lead to a better thread, that's all. At least give them some consideration, please.
Okay, my questions are these:
Knowing what you know now about LRH, his pathological lying, moments of great cruelty, his intentions and orders re: Paulette Cooper, his "Admissions", his plagiarism, his past psychiatric problems, the manner of his death, his life on the lam, his treatment of his own wife and children, etc., etc., etc.:
1) How do you, in your own mind, get past those things so that you can still read his books and listen to his lectures as if he were an authority on the very subjects that he, himself, failed so miserably at demonstrating?
I am not asking this in a snide or derisive fashion, I am coming from a place of respect, for you, and assuming that you are not stupid but must have some logical way that you can do this that I simply cannot see.
2) Since there are no Scientific studies on the techniques of Scientology and because the voluminous case studies Ron cites in Dianetics are apparently a lie, and because the end goal of Clear and OT has never been demonstrated, then:
......................a) What are your goals with respect to the these uncertain procedures?
......................b) Do you still want to do your OT Levels even though they don't produce OTs? If so, why?
3) Are you still of the belief that mankind's only hope is Scientology or are you just trying to help others feel better with Scientology --- more like some form of therapy?
4) Can you honestly say that you have researched and confronted all of the past information, regarding Hubbard, that you were not allowed to look at while in the church or are there some things you just don't care to look at?
It would be very helpful and enlightening if you could copy the questions and answer below each one. I seriously do not understand and I really want to.
It would also be helpful if those who are not of the same opinion would used logical arguments to make their points instead of using Ad Hominems. (Hey, I guess that's the only ground rule )