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^^^ Me too! But it strikes me sort of like trying to make a Ferrari out of Yugo parts and then you have to buy it from a beautician...
As far as most people are concerned:
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I am well aware that Scientology "as it is actually practiced" is never going to be what I wish it to be, so that is why I have to do all I can to make it what is should be, and I can't think of a better use for my life.
No shit? To see what? Things your way? In my own case my perception of the world changes and continues to do so from the first second I wake up and, goes on until I am asleep again.
What is really important is that one continue to learn everything one can, relentlessly, and without jumping to conclusions. Too many conclusions can stiffle the flow and direction of ideas imho, sort of like putting on blinders.
Edit> I am sorry but I cannot help but think of oxymorons when I see 'Christianscientologist', but in a twisted and sides-ways sortta way.
And, just so you know, that is perfectly fine with me. I wish you all the best.
I can.
Your delusion that 18 centuries of murders, religious wars, burnings and beheadings shoudn't be criticized because that particular genocidal madness is some fools' 'cherished beliefs' is pretty sick. Are we supposed to countenance Al Quaida, because some think terrorism is the road to Allah? No. Christianity has more blood on its hands than all the islamic killers since Mohammed. So I'm bitter because I won't tolerate your promotion of spiritual entrapment and death, is that it? I'm full of hate because I object to Christianity's unparalled beastiality. As long as there's a breath in my body, I will loudly speak against you and other spiritual criminals who promote the greatest evil and blood drenched inhumanity that ever cumbered the planet. And the more you try to cloak it in love, holiness, goodness, and respectability, the louder and more energetically I'll denounce it. YOU promote hate, YOU promote bitterness when you speak in glowing terms of that satanic wickedness called Christianity!!!
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Hi Pip! How's it going?
Juliette Lewis did a recent interview with Vanity Fair magazine and was asked some interesting questions. (including one concerning the thread title I used).
Also she was asked about Xenu as well.
She explains that some people are confusing Hubbards science fiction works with his studies that have nothing to do with science fiction.
I'm glad we got that all cleared up.
If you'd like to read the actual interview it is located here:
http://www.vanityfair.com/online/oscars/2010/12/juliette-lewis.html
There is another article about the interview here:
http://www.sodahead.com/entertainment/can-you-be-a-christian-scientologist/question-1380577/
Just in case the interview eventually gets removed from the website I'll repost some of the scientology related questions (and answers) from the interview here:
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I’m not sure how to segue into this, so I’ll just come out and ask. You’re a Scientologist, right?
I am, yeah.
Do you celebrate Christmas? I’ve never been sure about that. Does Christmas count as a Scientology holiday?
Oh yeah. We absolutely celebrate Christmas.
So you have a tree with ornaments and eggnog and presents and Christmas carols that aren’t about Xenu?
I’m a Christian! I think there’s so much confusion because people don’t understand a religion where you can be another religion but you can still practice Scientology. That’s why it’s completely progressive. It’s just tools for living. It’s about understanding one’s self and others and compassion and how to communicate better and how to live in this troubled society. It’s really basic, common sense stuff. It has nothing to do with all this funny folklore that surrounds it. You could be a Jewish Scientologist or a Buddhist Scientologist or a Christian Scientologist or anything else.
Do you believe your ancestors were reincarnated aliens?
That’s not been a part of my experience, no. (Laughs.)
So... you don’t believe you came from aliens?
I was thinking about where that idea came from, and I was like, “Oh, maybe it’s because [L. Ron] Hubbard was a successful science fiction writer, so they’re confusing his science fiction with his other studies that have nothing to do with science fiction.” It’s like you thinking I might punch somebody in the face because I played somebody who punched somebody in the face in a movie.
That’s actually a pretty good analogy. I wasn’t expecting that.
I’m used to misconceptions. And honestly, I don’t care to explain Scientology to people. You can investigate it on your own. It’s not that difficult. There are Web sites and all sorts of resources. The one thing that troubles me is when rumor becomes hatred and prejudice towards a group of people. That’s when it becomes scary, when you have people trying to take away other people’s right to practice a religion of your own choosing.
You’re taking all the fun out of mocking Scientology.
My experience is, there’s nothing alarming or inhibitive about Scientology. I don’t find it judgmental. I can’t speak for somebody else’s experience. It’s just my own.
Read the entire interview here:
http://www.vanityfair.com/online/oscars/2010/12/juliette-lewis.html
Recent survey of a Christian Scientologist, who was asked probing questions about their deeply held beliefs:
Do you believe in Christ? Yes
Do you believe in Xenu? Yes
Do you believe in one-life and then God judges you before you go to heaven or hell? Yes
Do you believe in trillions of lives where heaven and hell do not exist? Yes
Do you believe the Bible is the Holy word of God to save you? Yes
Do you believe in Scn Scripture that says the Bible is an implant designed to destroy you? Yes
Do you believe Jesus is the only way to salvation? Yes
Do you believe that Ron's tech is the only way to salvation? Yes
Do you believe that Scientologists are doomed to eternal hell? Yes
Do you believe that Christians are doomed to eternal hell? Yes
Do you believe what you are saying? Yes
Do you realize that you are lying? Yes
Do you believe whatever you hear or read? Yes
Do you think delusion and self-deception are good? Yes
Jump ahead to 3:55 in this interview of Scientology Celebrity, and Scientologist her entire life, Kate Caberano (born 1966), and her husband. The subject of Christmas didn't come up, but there was a question about "aliens." Compare the answer to JL's answer. This is pat PR.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KTTirB9ZFo
Perhaps someone can assemble a collection of clips of Scientology Celebrities lying about Scientology, especially about "aliens," "OT 3," and "Xenu."
Lying (about Scientology) is a Scientology sacrament.
I was hoping I could be an OT8 reincarnate Islamic Jew from Dusseldorf who works for the KGB in my next life, though I'd be born in Kenya by way of Hawaii.Religion & Beliefs
Jewish Scientologists? HinJews? Where do we draw the line?
By Laurel Snyder / December 8, 2006
The Jerusalem Post has a story today about Jewish (Israeli) Scientologists. Which lends a whole new twist to the conversation over whether one can be a Jew without believing as a Jew.
how do you feel about this? Jewish Scientologists? For real? These people are apeshit crazy!
http://www.jewcy.com/religion-and-beliefs/jewish_scientologists_hinjews_where_do_we_draw_the_line
I'm an atheist ex-Catholic ex-scientologist.
Life is much more simple now.
wholymary said:you are not alone, there are many of us, just keep going up to OT and this will all work out for you
Veda said:Are we about to be swamped with button-pushing troll-like Scientologists posing as Christians?
DartSmohen said:Hubbard used to refer to lensworth as "My pet nigger". Any time there was a question raised about race or the lack of anyone other than white people the GO trotted Lensworth out to "Dead-agent" the story.