Welcome.
So Dianetics "changed your life" did it? In what way? What happened when you audited someone?- after all the book is manual for the mind - saying it 'changed your life" without actually auditing anyone is a little like claiming to have read the instructions of how to build something but never actually doing it and claiming that the instructions are a life changer. What is it in Dianetics that did this great deed?
What were the other books on philsophy the occult and religion that you studied after you read Dianetics? In what way did those books fail to meet the life changing 'test'.
I'm confused - a little - you say you have read three books by "LRH" but don't say which ones they were but what is confusing to me is that you called the author "LRH" - as he never referred to himself that way in any book I am aware of, I am wondering why you just didn't refer to him as Hubbard? That's his name.
And I am also curious as to why you would post on a board for ex-Scientologists?
Hmm. "treat others as you would wish to be treated" is referred to as 'the golden rule" surely it was in all those other books you read as well?
What would I recommend to someone in your position? Hmm.
Debate with us here. Let's start out with an easy question.
Do you now believe that clears have perfect recall? And if you do believe it - on what basis do you believe it?
Pick a concept from one of the books you have read that seems "so workable and true" and tell me why you think it is 'workable and true" What do you mean by "workable"
So the concept that "what is true for you is true for you" is a big one you say? hmm OK. Would you mind citing the exact quote?
Well you don't sound "desparate" to be honest, you sound disingenuous. But that could just be the internet.
If you have done any "research" at all then you know , withut a shadow of a doubt that the Church of scientology is an organization that wreaks havoc on its members, that destroys lives, has produced insane people who have ended up in asylums. You know, if you have done your research that Hubbard was a fat fraudulent power hungry individual who was dedicated to himself and himself alone. he abandoned his wives when they became "inconvenient" and he lied and cheated throughout his life.
His organizations are equally psychotic.
I don't know anything about the Church of Satan but you claim it is doing real work about liberating people? Well then if you are so impressed with the Church of satan why are you bothering with the Church of Scientology or was your writing just unclear?
Presuming that you were referring to the "Church" of Scientology when you were puffing your positive praise - it would seem that you have moved from having done 'research" and 'read three books" to actually knowing about the church of scientology. A remarkable feat.
So let me ask you a question - how many criminal convictions does the CofS have? What does your research tell you?
Was it convicted in Canada for example? France?
Has anyone died of neglect while being held at the Church in Clearwater?
Just wondering how extensive your "reading" has been.
I suppose it depends on your past. I have used many drugs (Not your average user, I never had real issues in my life that demanded I get away or numb or repress anything, I was searching for something) in my past and I can see how the average person wouldn't see how just small things described in Dianetics (I've read this, Dianetics 55, and self analysis, I'm not reading a new slant on life) really strike a nerve. I don't proudly say this, but I find it necessary to point out.
As for what truly works, ARC is one of them surely although it allowed me to really create my own understandings that i borrowed from his. As for the true is for you etc. Well it's kind of similar to being a false witness. Or thall shall not lie. What I've observed is that the worst of all crimes we commit is that we lie to ourselves without knowing or realizing it. It's truly amazing how people do not link up their unreasonable blame throughout life of others, and then fail to realize they do the same things to others, and but cannot admit it because it would force them to face themselves and realize they should be blaming themselves as much as they try to point there fingers elsewhere.
As for reading material I've picked up a lot of info throughout my life which i never pieced together. My father is one of a kind, and dedicates, and always has, all of his free time to conspiracy theory. From ET, reptilian people, Jewish origins and motives(Rothchilds, fair game act), ancient Egyptian lineage, royal blood lines, abductions, child pornography rings, political blackmail, New world order undermining the majority of our population, Brave New World, Machiavellian concepts, manipulation of the markets, free energy/tesla/radionics, Luciferian beliefs, freemasonry, satanic cults (all types), christianity, conspiracy about things such as BP oil spill in the gulf, weather control, control of things such as earthquakes, about government puppets, inner workings of the ideologies of super powers, Identity and mind control through satellite and tv programing/movies, USA's undermining by cults, spread of wealth, conserving countryside to force people into metro areas, force limited travel throughout the world, to just about anything you can think of. I haven't had much use for all of it until I started my journey about the end of 2011. Then it all just really seemed to all come together to create a huge picture of what I consider my world view which has drastically changed.
As for judging Scientology, well unless I've been a member I can't justify slandering them, or in any way demand that they are necessarily what i see some people criticizing them as being. For I haven't had any first hand experience. But at the same time i am not blind enough to deny the existence of such claims. For one i don't see them defending themselves too often which also leads me to wonder why that is. Do they not because they spend their time creating real change rather than sitting on the internet like kids and ruin their reputation as mature adults by fighting back and forth online which as most know leave no winners. It's just that childish slander back and forth. Or is it because they can't defend themselves. I don't know. For one, considering all the power people credit them for I'm surprised they allow so much slandering on these forums if they have as much power as some claim they have being as evil as they are.
As far as the treat others as you would like to be treated goes. I find more often than not people go for the treat others as you would expect to be treated if you catch my drift.
As for Hubbard (hopefully you appreciate that now rather than LRH) I wasn't there, I didn't know the guy. I just like his writing so far.
I will say this, I'm well aware of the info available on the internet, my dad thrives on it. If you want to believe the common opinion based on what you read on the internet, well, i guarantee you'll have a hard time finding any real facts that aren't accompanied by 100 others that contradict that fact.
If I was to say I KNEW Scientology was evil or bad i would be lying wouldn't I? Because I haven't had first hand experience with them. All I can say is that what is true is i heard over the internet a few people disgruntled with them. That is all the truth that lies there. And that many people say "that weird church called Scientology" so far I have no real grounds for discounting or making a final judgement on them. True or not? It would be easy to say our government was evil, and full of corrupted/blackmailed politicians. It's easy just look for the common slander of the US government and build your case against them. Simple as that, but without first hand experience, or spyware used to trace, step by step, each politician's daily life you are doing no more than making educated guess's also completely biased due to many factors. When the truth of the matter is the reason they don't tell us the dirty (but probably very truly great work) details is because we couldn't handle it because our minds are stuck to herd mentality. People bitch about the Patriot Act, yet they fail to understand the feds don't need a Patriot Act, simply, they could just make people disappear without ever attempting to pass such an act. They do it so they are obviously accounting for what they do when they pull someone off the street. Not to hoodwink us and say, haha you're all fools