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A Thumb Nail Sketch of L Ron Hubbard

Discussion in 'General Scientology Discussion' started by lkwdblds, Jul 26, 2010.

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  1. lkwdblds

    lkwdblds Crusader

    The most interesting man in the world!

    Was that Ron in those beer commercials they are now showing? The most interesting man in the world, a bearded guy about 55 years old with these beautiful young super models fawning all over him, waiting for him to utter his nex pearl of wisdom. When he opens his mouth he says, in a distinguished Spanish accent reminiscent of Ricard Montalban, "I don't always drink beer but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis. Stay thirsty my friends!"
    Lakey
     
  2. afaceinthecrowd

    afaceinthecrowd Gold Meritorious Patron

    What a fine, fine posts, Fisherman!:thumbsup:

    Much thanks to Kookaburra and Lakey, also.:thumbsup:

    I have learned much from these posts.:yes:

    I have read most of Durant's works, Plato’s Dialogues and most of the works you have referenced...you make fascinating points re: El Ron, Durant, Aristotle, et al.

    I made four posts months ago on the long dead Power of Source thread (#’s 74, 78, 79 & 84) regarding my first-hand involvement with El Ron's "process" of "making technical breakthroughs" and what happened when actual technical experts in a discipline dealt with the results. Your analytic narratives and Kookaburra’s very valuable information foots seamlessly with what I observed first-hand.:coolwink:

    Face:)
     
    Last edited: Jul 28, 2010
  3. lkwdblds

    lkwdblds Crusader

    Fisherman - to really see how we felt about Ron, you..

    Fisherman, you almost have had to be a Scientologist yourself to understand how guys such as Face and I fell for LRH's shtick. We did not believe he was just a garden variety human being. It was sort of like he was a super human extra-terrestrial being who was sort of on loan to planet Earth from some other solar system, probably in this Galaxy. Hubbard wrote a series of books called Ol' Doc Methusala, and it had a guy "who was a soldier of light". There were supposed to be 76 of these scattered through the Galaxy and the main character in the book series was the one for this part of the Galaxy.

    I figured that Hubbard was one of those type of beings, far superior to mortal men. Now that I know he was standard issue human being, I believe he had a real talent, more like a genius for culling key bits of data out of enormous seas of data. He talks about it a little on some of his earlier tapes. He says he quickly eliminates things which have not enlightened mankind but have actually entrapped them more. He let communism go on this bases, the same with capitalism, he did not like that either. He noticed that the longer lasting societies had some sort of concept of a diety so he incorportated that into his work. He felt that Western Science and Math had benefitted mankind and so he kept portions of that, he believed that Buddha had brought order to a huge part of Earth where only barbarism existed before, so he retained portions Buddhism. and so it went. You have got to give him credit for this ability. He had a genius for culling data.

    You are not going to get from him double blind testing with placebos and peer review. He did not believe that those type of activities had given mankind enought of a boost to warrant using them. Perhaps that's why his studies seem very thin to you. He went more by anecdotal evidence and empirical evidence. If 25 people ran a process and they all cured their lumbago then the process must cure lumbago. He decreed it to be true and it was so, if only inside of Scientology Orgs.

    I hope that helps.
    Lakey
     
    Last edited: Jul 28, 2010
  4. afaceinthecrowd

    afaceinthecrowd Gold Meritorious Patron

    Lest we forget

    I made several posts on the Apollo ’73 thread re: the Mary Sue factor. I honestly don’t think that the El Ron of the early ‘50’s to late ‘70’s may be properly, and fully, discussed without factoring in and including, to some degree, Mary Sue.

    Off and on Mary Sue had subtle yet great influence with El Ron. She was much more a scholar than Hisself and had a Liberal Arts degree from a very good school (UT, Austin) earned during a period that Liberal Arts majors studied many of the “Classics” of human thought and experience.

    Mary Sue was an avid, eclectic and excellent reader and I know for a fact that she often discussed the highlights and gist of what she was reading with El Ron, especially if it was pertinent to something El Ron was interested in or currently messing around with.

    Mary Sue, to me, has become an invisible elephant in the corner of the room of most discussions of El Ron. I knew her…as much as El Ron sought to be bigger than life and out front, she sought to be in the background and pump up Hisself’s balloon. She was very young "country girl" when she married El Ron, and was producing his offspring for the first part of the marriage. As she matured she effectively charted her way into a position of power within Scn that was 2nd only to Hisself’s. As far as I'm concerned, she was a disciplined, resilient and smart cookie and no one was as devoted to El Ron as was Mary Sue.

    Sadly, Garrison’s biography of El Ron will probably never be published…I think the title may be indicative of where Garrison was going and Mary Sue would have been a significant part of the story.

    El Ron trusted Mary Sue, then later feared her, more than anyone else in the world.:yes:

    Face:)
     
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  5. This is NOT OK !!!!

    This is NOT OK !!!! Gold Meritorious Patron

    Jobs

    Does anyone on this board have a job?

    :whistling::whistling::whistling::whistling:
     
  6. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

  7. afaceinthecrowd

    afaceinthecrowd Gold Meritorious Patron

    My current job is messin' around with good lookin' women and enjoying my retirement.:coolwink::D:happydance:

    Face:)
     
  8. It's simple, he didn't, he just convinced people that he did, that is what con men do, and Hubbard was a master flimflam man. Hubbard had a few hypnotic, stage magician, parlor, tricks he mastered and used them to get people hooked, the rest was on his victims to believe what Hubbard was feeding them was true and had merit.

    It's human nature to want to believe you are too smart to become a victim of a con game, so the card will continue to keep trying to convince himself it is not a con game, the greater the investment in time and money, the greater the need to believe it's legitimate.

    Hubbard was good at convincing his victims that they were more intelligent than the average man and Hubbard was a master at feeding his victim's egos while at the same time keeping them away from the truth.

    Hubbard's material does not consist of the most quintessential ideas of the fore mentioned works, it is just long-winded rambling and half-truths of a compilation of very dated light-weight psychobabble.

    If Hubbard actually managed to compile the most quintessential ideas of the fore mentioned works and comprehend them, Scientology would have something to show for itself other than a trail of carnage consisting of broken lives, and empty bank accounts.

    I'm sure at one time Hubbard believed a portion of the material he compiled might actually produce some of the results he promised, it's just a question of when it went from pipe dream to full blown con game.

    Rather than calling Dianetics "The handbook for the human mind", it should be called what it is, "A handbook for just another con"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUG7q4pccqU
     
  9. lkwdblds

    lkwdblds Crusader

    Congratulations of your post.

    CNCML - Congratulations on your post. I believe this is the best, most logical, and most convincing presentation of your point of view which I have ever encountered.

    Fortunately or perhaps unfortunately, I still feel I got something out of my experience studying Hubbard so you have not made me a 100% convert. Even so, I like your post a lot and agree with its basic tenets as regards C of S's similarities with a Carnival Side Show. I think everyone who is up in the air about their experiences in Scientology or who is considering whether they should sign up for courses should read your post and seriously figure what you say into their decisions about C of S.
    Lakey
     
  10. I'm sure you did get something out of it, it would be almost impossible to devote the time and effort Scientology demands and not get something out of it. We all grow and become wiser with time and Scientology requires a great deal of time and attention. Every situation and relationship I have been in was an experience I got something out of. Even convicted criminals, claim they got something out of their incarceration after they leave prison. It's just a matter of it being worth it. I have yet to see a valid or convincing argument demonstrating that Scientology is worth the time and effort it requires.
     
  11. This is NOT OK !!!!

    This is NOT OK !!!! Gold Meritorious Patron

    ^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^

    :omg:
     
  12. fisherman

    fisherman Patron with Honors

    Mr. Face,

    Thank you for the compliment. I'd very much like to read the "Power of Source" comments you made, but couldn't find the thread. I hope you can give me the link!

    Your conviction that a full understanding of Mary Sue's role is essential to comprehending Hubbard is astute. You wrote:

     
  13. afaceinthecrowd

    afaceinthecrowd Gold Meritorious Patron

     
  14. fisherman

    fisherman Patron with Honors

    Lake, thanks for writing this:

    I can see where this is true! Of course, age also has a lot to do with what we accept and believe. And more importantly, desiring to believe, which is often a downfall for all of us!

    Best, fisherman
     
  15. fisherman

    fisherman Patron with Honors

    Well, alright, ol' face, Sir, :)

    I'll look for the 2nd page of "L Ron Hubbard, Source or Sauced" I did try to run down your post listings but couldn't identify the thread. I did notice that you spend most of your time "at sea" with Lake! :wink2:

    I am very much interested in what you wrote about LRH/MSH. If you think of a way to narrow the location, I'd appreciate that. I kept up with Lake's thread when it started, but it became a bit overwhelming for this outsider.

    If you want to create a "link" go to the page where your LHR/MSH post appears and copy the "url" address from the box at the top of your browser. Then go back and paste it into the post you are writing. As an example, here's the url link for this page:

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=19424&page=6

    You can see the end indicating "page 6" of this thread. You can paste multiple copies of one address and change the page numbers, if you want to create links to multiple pages

    I've enjoyed and appreciated your input as well! I'll look for you here and also wander over to the ship from time to time. :coolwink:

    Best, fisherman
     
  16. lkwdblds

    lkwdblds Crusader

    Face, when he gets to the ship do you think we should overboard him?

    Face, when he comes over to the Ship, do you think we should overboard him? I guess not he seems like a nice kid, tenacious when it comes to doing his research. Where would he be trying to find his answers without us. I helped him with what I know, you helped me to get to what I now know and now we are helping him.

    What do you think Face? Should we make the kid an honorary Ex Sea Org Member?
    Lakey
     
  17. afaceinthecrowd

    afaceinthecrowd Gold Meritorious Patron

    Fisherman,

    For some reason my computer won't copy and paste a URL string from ESMB. I can do it on any other URL string, but not ESMB...I thought there was some "trick" I didn't know.

    You seem very sincere, thorough and intelligent. As I said, I am in the process of posting installments on my “Take” re: El Ron and Scientology. It’s turning out to be a small book. If you are interested to read these posts on the Apollo ’73 thread they are:

    2026, 2040, 2121, 2340, 2372, 2384, 2414, 2492, 2522, 2536, 2547, 2556, 2588, 2591, 2526, 2656, 2675, 2901, 3021, 3160, 3195 and the most recent, 3456.

    2522 is, as best I can recall, where I began the Mary Sue parts of my narrative and is, off and on, in a number of the posts after that.

    I have also made a few posts regarding El Ron’s 4 children that were on the Ship and a few posts about Hisself’s father, whom I also spent a little time with. I have not included those in the list. I’m actually a little flabbergasted that I have written as much as I have now that I look back at it.

    I know this is a lot of reading…wish I were more organized and adept at all this stuff but things have just kinda evolved here on ESMB for me. I don’t expect you to read all that stuff unless you find it helpful to your purpose. Heck, I won't be offended if you don't read any of it.

    Also, if you have interest there are some posts on that thread that give a little insight into me…posts 3094, 3111, 3116 are the most detailed.

    I don’t know why you are here and that is none of my business, anyway. I am glad that you are here. However, you do seem very interested in El Ron and Hisself’s bastard child, you’re obviously well educated, very intelligent and are working your way trough the puzzle with us.

    You’ve got good stuff.:yes:

    Face:)
     
    Last edited: Jul 29, 2010
  18. afaceinthecrowd

    afaceinthecrowd Gold Meritorious Patron

    Aargh, tis OK by me, Matey...butchu bedder be warnin' the lad that there sometimes bees blood in the scuppers over there and some o' us pirates are longa tooth and shorta brain cell or three.:D

    Face:)
     
  19. How are you trying to copy and paste the url?

    If you want to obtain the url for a specific post, you need to either right click on the post number hot-link in the upper right-hand corner of the post and select "copy link address" or left clip on the post number hot-link in the upper right-hand corner of the post to enter the post and copy the address from the address bar.
     
  20. afaceinthecrowd

    afaceinthecrowd Gold Meritorious Patron

    Thanks, Chuck...I'll try it.

    Face:)