ESMB is now closed to new registrations. Please go to and register there.


Any opinions on this article:

Discussion in 'Evaluating and Criticising Scientology' started by Gib, Sep 7, 2019.

View Users: View Users
  1. Gib

    Gib Crusader

  2. PirateAndBum

    PirateAndBum Gold Meritorious Patron

    Gib, you should provide a bit more information.

    Title of paper: Scientology: The Art of Cultic Persuasion

    "This paper will explore the Church of Scientology to accomplish two main goals. First
    we will determine what defines a “cult” in terms of persuasive techniques and whether the
    Church of Scientology can be classified as a cult. Then, we will identify the types of rhetorical
    strategies and persuasive fallacies used to facilitate groupthink and promote unity as a means to
    gain and maintain group membership."

    Looks interesting, will read it.
  3. PirateAndBum

    PirateAndBum Gold Meritorious Patron

    Overall not a bad paper.

    I do find her reliance on Lewis' information to be flawed:
    Not surprising that she's unaware of the facts and co$ views on "other practices".
  4. CaliMule

    CaliMule Work Hard and Bray

    Wastes a lot of space on trying to define "cult" and see if that label can be hurled at the subject.

    "Cult", modernly, is simply a pejorative* name to call some group. Hurling that label at it seems to let people think they can:

    1 - relax rigor of thought or the sense of justice required in defaming their target,
    2 - seek to make de jure biases against them exist or be effective, and​
    3 - generally gratify themselves in afflicting their target while conferring upon themselves a sense of self-righteousness. ​

    Really a person trying to define "cult" for us usually winds up merely parading their own biases and not very humble opinions.

    I don't care if any religious group is a "cult" or not if you can prove the specific illegal, abusive, or otherwise antisocial acts it performs. And if you can, that alone should be the topic of discussion. Don't waste time on loaded language and preferred pejoratives.

    If you CAN'T prove the specific illegal, abusive, or otherwise antisocial acts some religious groups does, but still want to gratify yourself by defaming them and posturing as reasonable yourself, call it a "cult" of course.

    * (And in my opinion, also "perjorative", which is ill defined as a word but something I like calling things, a lot. Just like the author of the article in question, I think I get to make up words and define their meaning as I please.)
    Last edited: Sep 7, 2019
  5. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    yah, but as you said, she hits it pretty good from the persuasion angle.
  6. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    did you read the conclusion of her article?
  7. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    From the corporate Scientology operated web site, 'Scientology Myths':

    "Scientologists find it very offensive when people call Scientology a cult. The word 'cult' is now the most hateful thing you can call a religion. It's used as a slur. It's used by bigots. Not just against Scientology, but against many new minority religions. These are the actions of 'hate'."

    Scientology & Jim Jones | Ex Scientologist Message Board
    • Thanks Thanks x 3
    • Like Like x 1
    • Love Love x 1
    • List
  8. CaliMule

    CaliMule Work Hard and Bray

    I was pretty much skimming at that point, as I think she'd set the tone early on and didn't stray far from it, though she weasled around a bit in the conclusion.