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APPEAL BRIEF: Scientology argues that our coverage of them legitimates their spying

Discussion in 'Monique Rathbun' started by Free to shine, Jun 13, 2014.

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  1. Free to shine

    Free to shine Shiny & Free

    From Tony Ortega:

    http://tonyortega.org/2014/06/12/ap...ur-coverage-of-them-legitimates-their-spying/

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/229415666/Monique-Rathbun-v-Scientology-CSI-Appeal-Brief

    Wonderful shoop here. I'm not going to hotlink it, worth a click:
    http://tonyortega.org/2014/06/12/ap...-legitimates-their-spying/#comment-1432828739
     
  2. Free to shine

    Free to shine Shiny & Free

    Re: APPEAL BRIEF: Scientology argues that our coverage of them legitimates their spyi

    TX Lawyer's opinion:

    http://tonyortega.org/2014/06/12/ap...-legitimates-their-spying/#comment-1433159873
     
  3. Wants2Talk

    Wants2Talk Silver Meritorious Patron

    Re: APPEAL BRIEF: Scientology argues that our coverage of them legitimates their spyi

    Good to have some news. Glad for action - not ...
     
  4. Lone Star

    Lone Star Crusader

    Re: APPEAL BRIEF: Scientology argues that our coverage of them legitimates their spyi

    Okay....looks like the cult will prevail in court yet again over a "little guy". Shit...fuck....damn. Reading TX Lawyer's rundown feels like a gut punch. Deep down I know he's right.

    Looks like the legal actions against Narconon's insurance fraud has the best chance for a win.

    But in America if a 501c3 organization wants to ruin your life as an individual, well too fucking bad. Got any real money? No? Well then fuck off and die.

    Suckers walk......

    If getting raped by a cult or corporation is inevitable then you might as well lay back and enjoy it.....bitch.
     
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  5. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    Re: APPEAL BRIEF: Scientology argues that our coverage of them legitimates their spyi

    I wouldn't give up on Ray just yet. The church does conduct itself like a business, and there any number of Hubbard's policies where he urges them to Make Money, get stats up, the fixed fees (donations) for services, trademarks etc. - it comes across as a business dispute. There is the matter of Why would a religion stalk someone? What other religion does that? I have faith that Ray (with Mike and Marty's input) can cut them off at the knees.

    Keep the faith brothers.

    Mimsey
     
  6. Free Being Me

    Free Being Me Crusader

    Re: APPEAL BRIEF: Scientology argues that our coverage of them legitimates their spyi

    This trial isn't over by a long shot, Ray Jeffries & Judge Waldrip are on to $cientology's tactics.
     
  7. Lone Star

    Lone Star Crusader

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    No it's not over, but at this stage it has nothing to do with Ray J or Judge Waldrip. It's in the hands of the Texas Appeals Court which is notoriously pro-bidness and screw the little guy.

    I live in Texas and as much as I love it, I'll be the first to admit that it's judiciary is all fucked up. It's politics is all fucked up. The pendulum has swung so far right it's unbelieavable. The cult usually does well in a far right wing environment. Note how most of the politicians in their back pocket are far right loonies? That's cuz the cult knows how to play to the "less guvmint mo freedumb" argument. They, along with their high dollar lawyers play it very well.

    TX Lawyer's assessment of the CSI's brief regarding the anti-SLAPP motion confirms my long suspicions and concerns. Most, if not all, of Mosey's suit will probably get thrown out. Just like Marc Headley got screwed.

    Now the Narconon insurance fraud action? That's where it's gonna be, it seems to me. That's got the potential to really shut the show down. You don't fuck with the sacred insurance system in this country on that kinda scale and get away with it. We're talking about stealing from the institutional thieves now who have the power behind them. Homies don't play dat. :no:
     
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  8. Purple Rain

    Purple Rain Crusader

    Re: APPEAL BRIEF: Scientology argues that our coverage of them legitimates their spyi

    If the court allows the Scientology Goliath to accuse David of bullying then the people who drafted the Anti-SLAPP must have been morons. If it can be that abused - and used as the very antithesis of what was intended - then the lawmakers need to go back to law drafting kindergarten. Seriously. Scientology will be making a mockery of all of them. If that is justice then give me injustice, because it's all the same thing.
     
  9. Lone Star

    Lone Star Crusader

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    At first blush the anti-SLAPP law sounds noble and great. Protecting little Davids from big 'ol mean Goliaths. But, in the good ole 21st century USA corporations aren't just persons, they are the most important persons. The Supreme Court under the guidance of that John Roberts has certified it. (It's no surprise that he "turncoated" and voted that Obamacare is constitutional. He loves fascism, which is exactly what Obamacare is).

    Anyway, the judicial court system in the US, and especially Texas, is geared to fuck regular individuals and reward corporations. Sure there are exceptions every now and then, but not many. It's getting worse.

    You see, in their twisted viewpoint "We The People" are the Goliath and the corporations need protection in the interest of bidness. Do the courts care about the fine line between the cult being a religion or a bidness? Nope. Don't give a flying fuck. Not their concern.

    There's too much "dangerous precedence" on the line if Mosey wins this case. Our court system is based on precedence. The Scilon lawyers know how to speak to the judges in a way that makes them understand what's on the line.

    This lawsuit, or a very big chunk of it will be thrown out.

    I'd love to be wrong. Hope I am.
     
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  10. RogerB

    RogerB Crusader

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    Nah, don't go off "half-cocked" . . . the brief by the cult is only one half of the equation, and of course it has been written "persuasively" . . . that's the job of lawyers . . . and TXLawyer is simply making a comment on the one half of the submissions that will hit the Appellate Court.

    Wait for the other side of the argument from plaintiff . . . it will likely counter and shoot down the "persuasive points" in defendant's submission . . . for which I am glad they got theirs in first so it could be countered point by point.

    The issue of that the IRS has held the cult to be a not for profit, etc., is rather irrelevant to the cause of this case and the conduct of the cult . . . the anti-SLAP thing in being judged on and applied to the ACTIONS and BASIS of the cult's actions . . . not on who and/or what the IRS holds them to be.

    Big difference in that point . . . I suspect plaintiff with successfully argue that point that this case is about the ACTIONS and the BASIS of those actions by the cult: not what and who they are held to be by the IRS.

    R
     
  11. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    Re: APPEAL BRIEF: Scientology argues that our coverage of them legitimates their spyi

    Hi Purple, Ron already uses law as the very antithesis of what is intended as lawsuits can be used to harass instead of to win...exhaust the "enemies" financial "war chests". That's all the IAS war chest is about. Because of the greed of attorneys we now live in a world where Ron can use the legal system to perpetrate a crime spree.

    However, thank God for the internet in that it has enough freedom that any and all of Scientology's "wins" are hollow victories. In the eyes of the US public they've already lost, merely look to the emptying orgs.

    Go Mosey!!!
     
  12. Churchill

    Churchill Gold Meritorious Patron

    Re: APPEAL BRIEF: Scientology argues that our coverage of them legitimates their spyi

    According to Scientology lawyers, John Wilkes Booth was merely exercising his "Free Speech" that night at Ford Theatre.

    They actually believe that the rest of the world is as batshit crazy as they are.

    Mosey and Marty can be awarded millions in damages without relinquishing their rights to free speech.
     
  13. Lone Star

    Lone Star Crusader

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    Kidding me? I'm not going off half cocked....I got all my hyperbole barrels blazing! That's how I roll.....LOL....
     
  14. Lermanet_com

    Lermanet_com Gold Meritorious Patron

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    A 'good' brief always sounds like a winning one,
    especially a hypnotically written one.

    To Deacon Blue:
    "Written laws are like spiders’ webs; they will catch, it is true, the weak and poor, but would be torn in pieces by the rich and powerful." Anacharsis (approx 500BC discussing Solon's laws)
     
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  15. JBWriter

    JBWriter Happy Sapien

    Re: APPEAL BRIEF: Scientology argues that our coverage of them legitimates their spyi

    To read all 5 of the individually submitted Appellant's Briefs, the Texas 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals' website has kindly uploaded each in pdf format.
    Here's the direct link: http://www.search.txcourts.gov/Case.aspx?cn=03-14-00199-CV

    In the section that says "Briefs" the individual appellants aren't named so, beginning at the top:

    Defendant Sloat
    Defendant Bryan
    Defendant Drake
    Defendant CSI
    Defendant Lubow

    JB <----about to brew a pot of coffee before settling in to read these *cough* 'masterpieces'. :dizzy: