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ATTN: Lurkers... "Critical Thinking"

Discussion in 'General Scientology Discussion' started by Clay Pigeon, Jan 28, 2019.

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  1. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron


    Dumb bunny "auditor" invalidating pc in session.

    We didn't do that when I was in San Francisco and we didn't do that at FCDC
  2. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron


    That's better
  3. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    Oh, by the way, I'll be rooting for the Rams. In fact I'll go further than that, I'll be using my special OT powerz to influence the outcome as I know you'll be doing the same for your pathetic bunch of wankers.

    Let's see who prevails eh?

    I may have to go as far as actually blanketing Gurley's body just to make sure he doesn't go AWOL the way he did in the NFC Championship Game, but otherwise I'm sure my guys have more than enough to thrash the Patriarchs.
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  4. Wilbur

    Wilbur Patron Meritorious

    Prior to Scientology, I liked the ideas of Hinduism, specifically the idea that everyone is on a path to enlightenment, on a route back to Godhead. You can't prevent yourself from reaching back to Godhead - you can only delay it by not learning your spiritual lessons quickly, but eventually we will all be enlightened and infinitely blissful.

    When I got into Scientology, I learned that it was absolutely vital to achieve enlightenment as quickly as possible, because "in all the endless trillenia" blah blah blah and "you will be around for eternity. It will be a good eternity or a bad one. For you, my friend, I hope it is a good one". This is essentially a fire and brimstone scenario. Do what we say, or you will burn in hell, FOREVER.

    If it's true, then we are all fucked for leaving Scientology. That is why people put up with so much nonsense for decades in Scientology, because, what are a few decades compared to an eternity of agony at the bottom of the tone scale, total failure. It's the same reason people cling to Abrahamic religions, long past the point where they have stopped REALLY believing them.

    But if that eschatology is FALSE, then it is REALLY pernicious. Because it has people terrified that, if they leave Scientology, they will suffer forever at the bottom of the tone scale.

    If the choice for what is true is no future lives exist, versus they do and the Scientology (as opposed to the Hindu) story of their enfoldment is true, then I would prefer the former to be true. If you are a one-lifetime being, then no matter what your suffering, it will come to an end after three-score-and=ten years, and you will NEVER suffer again after that. But if the Scientology reality is true, then what do you have to look forward to? You might even get up the Bridge (supposing one actually existed), and exist for a time at a super-high level on the tone scale. But the odds are that eventually, even if it takes trillions of years, you will end up sliding back down the tone scale, and eventually bounce along its bottom, destined to stay there for the rest of eternity. After all, we did that slide once before, and the odds are (even with a Scientology education) that we will do it again, because thetans will be thetans, selfish bastards that they eventually always are. So ultimately, I don't think the Scientology picture is a very optimistic view of eternity.

    If reincarnation does exist, then let's hope, for all our sakes, that the truth is something closer to the Hindu view, that spiritual beings are ineluctably attracted to the "top of the Bridge", not the bottom of it, regardless of what you or anybody else does on the way.

    Oh, and if we ARE all one-lifetime beings, then fuck global warming - I couldn't give a fuck. And if Monsanto want to wipe out the bee population, and the Chinese want to hunt the tiger to extinction (because, hell, tiger cock is much better than Viagra), then let them get on with it. My great-great-great grandkids will just have to fend for themselves, like I had to. Hehehe.
  5. Wilbur

    Wilbur Patron Meritorious

    It came up in my auditing that I was a past-life Clear. When the auditor pressed me for WHEN I went Clear, I had no idea, and initially said it was probably in the early 50s. My auditor immediately said "But the first Clear wasn't until the 60s", before realising that he had just evaluated for me, and backtracking. I clammed up after that.

    Later, I was convinced I had been auditing at St. Hill, and that I had been run over by a Land Rover or Range Rover just outside the Manor and killed, whilst in the middle of OTII. I could recall doing sessions on something to do with GPMs, which I later decided must have been OTII. The only name I could get for my possible last-life identity was John Smith, and I was thinking, "nah, that's the name of a beer, isn't it?". And anyway, it's the archetypal common name for a British person. I wanted to research it to see whether anyone had been killed under such circumstances, but didn't know where to start. Anyway, if anyone who dated a John Smith in the sixties can remember where I buried my treasure, drop me a pm.

    ETA: It's blue.

    (the colour of Hubbard's tie)
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  6. lotus

    lotus stubborn rebel sheep!

    1) You guess wrong....What do we get as lie detector operator is even more creepy ...and what we "found" about our pseudo "past lives "...under suggestion is also creepy...

    The difference with you that we humbly and courageously made a true inventory and made good use of so called "critical thinking" and realised and admitted we were fooled by foolers who though they were mind\mental we too became...till we gave up to this laughing stock pseudo religion and science...

    If I had time I would have post my past lives..exactly like previously mentionnés, I knew it was pure fabulations...thus, If my needle was prooved is was a scam....

    As a side note Birdie...Are you this great auditor who helped Ron discover and promote he was Lord Metteya....

    Well, as a long time buddhist practitionner..(the Mahayana pure land school)....I can say with certitude That Ron has no traits [format=cust1]of the so called Mettaya, neither of any christian, jewish pseudo- [/format]messiah.

    But hey...his needle was floating and he attested....

    AFAIAC, I un-attested all this many esmbers, and recovered what you call self transcendence with true self determination...
    I got LRH mundfuck out of my mind and my life
    and could let my higher self to fly high and reach far in harmony with life....even in those challenging," stucked in ego" times I still encounter, since we always come back we are never lost (what LRH and $ Scientology want us to believe..that we are poor lost soul in need of his science...)
    All is only a matter of being grounded, and when not, going back home.
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  7. lotus

    lotus stubborn rebel sheep!

    What is so cynical in Hoaxy's post is that it is unfortunately not a's pure true type of OT stories some were fooling people with....
    I have so many in mind and so many good laughters with some of my dillettante Scieno friends....
  8. lotus

    lotus stubborn rebel sheep!

    Just prior to my present incarnation I was....

    I guess you
    I was an old brit lady...(this explains I love tea...)

    And I was living...( I guess you know where in England)
    In the Est Sussex ( where dafuck I picked up that...)

    And I discovered ( Ah found out...)
    That I was wealthy and guess what ???

    Yes...My ST-Hill org account was tremendously full of donations...When I ask to do a search at St'hill ( yes, i am still ashamed...)..they didn't show any cooperation...

    Still I am glad I didn't found I was LRH ma....
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  9. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on

    Well I used CRITICAL THINKING, like you told me to.

    And one 747 loaded with nuclear bombs would kill hundreds of thousands. I got that data from your guru, Dr. Hubbard, when he lectured on tape about a past life where he was the universe's most successful race car driver. And he explained that the racetrack was booby trapped with nuclear bombs that would go off.

    So, now that is has been established that racetracks can have nuclear bombs, why couldn't the Fifth Invader Force here on earth have put nuclear bombs at the Indianapolis Race Track?

    It's critical thinking dude! Just like you said.
  10. lotus

    lotus stubborn rebel sheep!


    How about trains and DC8 ....????
  11. George Layton

    George Layton Silver Meritorious Patron

    This reminds me of that lifetime I was wandering the world starving. I found a dying cherry tree but alas, it had only one cherry to pick.
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  12. lotus

    lotus stubborn rebel sheep!

    As auditor..we were all charlatans fucking with people's mind and mental..... Period!
    It might not be as obvious on lower grades...but let's go aside ..we can post tons of mindfuck rundowns, sec checks.. Repair past ethics conditions etc...and their dramatic results...

    Do you recall Ron ever said that Psych were the only md who wouldn't want to be submitted to their ouwn treatments (drugs and ECT)
    I recall one of my auditor who was going into despair of what she was order to do with me... I can attest she would never want to be submitted to the same treatment that consisted of sec checking util coerced to admit false wrong CO$ would order a sanction and large sums of $$$ to be paid... (no non on...don't tell it's not's totally per tech to do so...since I admitted, and my needle was floating..since I was free to get my arse out of this house of creepy mad-hats.)

    Consider what leaded Phenomanon to leave..(refused to harm a pc with heavy psych drugs..)
    Consider auditors who are working qwith a pc on introspection rundown..even more cruel that the cruelest psych treatment...
    (at least people are given proper food, hygiene and nurses are allowed to talk to them..and they are not coerced into reparing what some don't even know what they are doing...because for some it is also a brain or other psychiological disease that needs to be addressed..)

    So keep going on with your cognitive dissonances Birdie...It probably is comfortaing you... but if you want to get people to share you '' pink bubble '' ( in which you may feel very lonely...) try to pair with freezoners....and you can all pretend you are (were in the good ole times) saving people (when you, I and us, actually drove many of them into despair, fear of loosing their eternity, and into psychosis...) it's good for your EGO to still live in that past fairy tale way of revisiting your past connections with an abusive cult as a charlatan pseudo-mental\mind\soul\spiritual healer! You and your org Birdie were not part of a sort of elite org and team of auditors ..the best among the were part of a scam and indocrinated to believe yo uwere a savior and part of an elite group that never existed in true reality..only on paper and illusions....

    And as you will be living you last days can postulate a nice trip to target 2, in a train, in order to join with LRH and turn around a non-existing planet with him for the eternity...and ultimately, remain one of the top ethical auditor in the gulluhxy!
    But let me tell you that those who will be aside you, reassuring you, assisting you, bathiny ou, holding your hand, signing song, smiling, hugging (in the even you are lucky to be given such care in such facility)..those incompetent, unknowing wog..will be those helping you to free yourself from any toxic harming boundaries to let your spirit fly hy..
    Unless,you wan a freezoner aside to exorcice you and yell at tone 40 ''leave yur body know you degraded out-ethics being who are out-exchange..''

    That's a superb nice coming into your enxt life as let's say...Louis Armstrong or whomever celeb you wish to dream of being......
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  13. PirateAndBum

    PirateAndBum Gold Meritorious Patron

    I'm still waiting for ANYTHING about critical thinking that a "lurker" would find interesting CP. If you're going to start a thread you should at least have something to say, which so far you have said diddly squat.
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  14. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    Yes, and what I find most annoying is that when he does say anything it's the same old diddly squat trotted out time after time like a broken record, as if anyone here is impressed with him licking Hubbard's asshole in public and bloviating about the wonders of DMSMH in the shameful way that he does.

    According to him I am an overbearing treasonous liar.

    He didn't ask me to do it, but a couple of weeks ago, out of the kindness of my treasonous lying heart I posted a promotional piece here about the book he has for sale because I knew he was incapable of doing it for himself. He couldn't even find it within himself to say thanks. What a great guy!
  15. EZ Linus

    EZ Linus Cleared Tomato

    Anyone ever consider that maybe this guy is a troll? No really. It just now occurred to me. Derr.
  16. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    Game on!

    Are yew reddy fer sum FUT-BAWL!!!
  17. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    If the eschatology is false it is not necessarily pernicious

    Spiritual leaders who light fires under the butts of their chelas get more poduction than hose who feed them warm fuzzies

    I am not now and have never been advocate of Ron's cosmology. I mean really, we suffer the effects of gorilla goals implanted on Helatrobus four quadrillion years in the past? How do you translate the measurement of time from one universe to another? But I wouldn't just trash everything that smacks of bad science fiction; it ca act, perhaps as koan.


    thank you for prose which is decent critical thinking...
  18. Bill

    Bill Gold Meritorious Patron

    The gibberish is strong in this one.
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  19. lotus

    lotus stubborn rebel sheep!

    Actually I'd say has been known for long time..But some don't tkink Birdie is not intented to create bad outcomes on the board...

    He has his own way to speak his mind..and I'd say
    He is into " myself, my own experience is the truth that DID existed in the true reality..."..50 years ago!

    He is a believer in the tech...

    The rest seems to not travel through his critical mind...and it makes him assert sometime things that are quite prone to annoy some people...

    Briefly, His Scientology and former auditor world
    is quite different than most of members.

    Like most of us who are active on the board.
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  20. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    More decent commentary but I'm surprised to hear you got many famous past lives from your pc's. They only gave me a handful.

    I'm more with zen, garnished with some red hat. Did a hairy-assed squirrel Chod Rite a few years back.

    In CoS the dice are heavily loaded for an all or nothing study. I've no quarrel with those who dump it all but for me, what I've kept is priceless