Australians in Scientology

Discussion in 'Reconnecting with Old Friends' started by haiqu, Jul 17, 2007.

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  1. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    Hi HA, re: "Do you consider my post to be "bashing up" of Julie and Steve?"
    Probably not but one probably should take care with any criticism of others' actions in CofS; you never know, he/she might just be one of your favourite ESMBers.
     
  2. sallydannce

    sallydannce Gold Meritorious Patron

    Thanks for that Human Again - I'll tell my person.
     
  3. Human Again

    Human Again Silver Meritorious Patron

    Phyll was my first CO ANZO. Steve was CO TOURS, and I was recruited by Tours.. I was very surprised to find that new EPF graduates and SO members were looked at with disdain by the leaders of Scientology in ANZO. I was amazed that they didn't have a calm and assured space but seemed perpetually "under pressure", angry and looking for someone to blame. I never saw Phyll smile. Steve knew how to have a good time and joked around with public ans those staff and crew he liked. If someone got on his bad side, they were immediately on everyone's blacklist and could get brownie points by writing Krs on that person, or making a joke at their expense etc.

    I never asked Steve Rule or Darnelle Bloomberg, who recuited me, why they did but I often wondered. It seemed to me that once I was there, I was unappriciated and disliked. Even when my stats were good I was never, ever "good enough". At 16/17 that is quite damaging psychologically. You'd think adults would be a llittle more mature. Today I realise it is the culture of the orgs, the COS that encouraged this disparaging, incompassionate, unforgiving attitude. People who might otherwise be quite easy to get along with had to protect themselves. That means going with the flavor of the day of the current leader. People who have a tendency to be cruel, dismissive and arrogant were patted on the back and rewarded.
     
  4. Human Again

    Human Again Silver Meritorious Patron


    :yes: Ironically, that would be realy cool.

    On this side of that particular interaction - I would be very ready to hear from anyone I mistreated while in the SO. If there is anyone on the board who had a bad deal from me, please let me know, I'd love the chance to apologuise. I delivered several "face rippings" and I am 100% sure all were motivated by my own insecurities, relish of power and fear of not upholding standards. Standards that I now see as false. So, it would be great to be able to converse with anone I hurt. Oh and anyone I recruited, if you're on the board and you want to have a piece of me for it, please let me know.
     
  5. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    Just sayin'.
     
  6. I told you I was trouble

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  7. Alan

    Alan Gold Meritorious Patron

    Phyll and I were on the original BC Course together: I used to get Phyll Stevens to laugh every day - I would say - "Hi Phyll - well what's the latest family disaster?" - she would crack-up every time :)
     
  8. nexus100

    nexus100 Gold Meritorious Patron

    No you should not "take care" here. That's one of the points of the place. If someone wants to defend themselves or another they shouldn't take care, either. State what you feel within the confines of the rules of the board. The demand of writing helps sort things out. It is in and of itself a very useful process. But only if one approaches it from one's true viewpoint.

    Say what you want here. If that is screw the bastards, so be it.
     
  9. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    Maybe I should have said "be aware that" rather than "take care". That's what I meant! :confused2:
     
  10. nexus100

    nexus100 Gold Meritorious Patron

    Honestly I don't want to seem to be attacking you. The idea of the board is one can say what one feels. I don't want any qualifiers on that freedom. Viewpoints are not always easy to digest. But one understands from doing so. A main feature of the COS was a stop on understanding other viewpoints, obviously.

    One is always entitled to express personal disagreement with someone's viewpoint but any general statement about what one should or shouldn't say might give a newbie the idea that they shouldn't say something. As you stated that was not what you meant. But even the further qualifier above I disagree with. One must liive within the rules of the board, but don't be careful because someone who treated you like dirt might be reading it. My opinion.
     
  11. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    Fair enough, we'll just have to agree to hold to different views on this. Mine is that what's done is done. :)
     
  12. Leon

    Leon Gold Meritorious Patron

    Thanks. I think I was one of the few FEBC grads who managed to survive in the Orgs. Though I was kicked out for a while in '72 and '73. We were so poor at the time that a few nights I was a homeless waif. So, having a key to the Org, I slept on some cushions on the floor. I got booted out for that and some dumb other reasons - told to go and handle my situation. Came back onto the DofP post a year and a half later.
     
  13. nexus100

    nexus100 Gold Meritorious Patron

    If you mean one is to forget the past this board is proof that is not a viable option for many. That may mean some redressing takes place. One has perspective when one has it, not before. If you want the last word, be my guest.
     
  14. Carmel

    Carmel Crusader

    I agree with what you have said here, but with a qualifier.

    Chat gets deleted after 12 hours, but posts remain - if one is somewhat aware of potential audiences on the board, then one is less likely to post something that they may later regret posting. Yes, we live within the rules of the board, but we also have our own perameters in regard to what effects we are willing to create and experience. Awareness of potential effects, can't be a bad thing IMO.
     
  15. ozzie

    ozzie Patron with Honors

    Steve Stevens Jr

    Some info for those who might care - Steve was originally married to my sister Liz, they married at FOLO UK shortly after joining the SO there and then they were transferred to ANZO on a command team type mission. Liz became the CO FOLO ANZO and Steve did Tours.

    Liz went to Flag for some handling and some training and received a letter from Steve with his wedding ring in it. That was the first she knew that he had started another relationship and this was with Fleur. Both Steve and Fleur were called to Flag to get handled. Needless to say Liz and Steve divorced and Liz spent the next so many years in a relationship with Brian Rackham.

    I always thought Steve was a dip shit - sorry! But he struck me as being a bit of an arrogant SOB! He sure loved the ladies.

    What a twat!

    Ozzie:yes:
     
  16. nexus100

    nexus100 Gold Meritorious Patron

    I agree! That censorship is self directed. I am only concerned that new people to the board don't get muzzled except as they themselves, or moderators, choose to. As you well know there is a sledgehammer effect on communication in the COS, but the after effects can be subtle.

    PS: Ozzie's post above is a shining example of freedom of communicaiton
     
  17. Feral

    Feral Rogue male

    Geez Ozzie, Your poor sis has had a crap run with the blokes, doesn't that make it three duds? That's a trifecta!
     
  18. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    OK. thanks Nex.

    You seem to be reading something into my post to Human Again that isn't there.

    Nobody is talking about censorship except you, at least I'm not. I'm giving friendly advice to a girl I care much about. When I advise her to "take care" in what she says about individuals I'm pointing to the fact that she could well be talking about someone who is already here at ESMB and in the midst of their own healing from scn process.

    I don't think any of us would wish to deliberately hurt others nor make their journey out of scn any more painful than it has to be. Human Again is a caring individual. You also strike me as a caring individual.

    As to my statement, "what's done is done"; again, you seem to be assigning it a meaning different from mine. I don't mean "forget the past", if I'd meant that I would have said that.
    What I mean is, accept it as having occurred. Nothing you do, here and now, will make it unhappen, you can only choose to accept it and move on or continue to wear it and suffer further. This was stated simply as my personal belief, not as advice to others.

    Feel free to respond, I don't believe in last words. :)
     
  19. ttamaad

    ttamaad Silver Meritorious Patron

    I agree that what has happened aint going to unhappen... I would add that part of the "healing" process (if thats the right word) is stating and talking about what happened.

    You, and many others, myself included, have encouraged people to tell their story and many times the story of actual events have mentioned people who were involved. Its part and parcel of the process. If those people involved are now here (for example) and going through their own process, then they have the chance to also talk about their experience and I am sure that everyone will do their utmost to support and encourage.

    On a personal note... and nothing to do with any posts particularly but because this is in the Australians in Scn thread... My old man, isn't the man I once knew.. he has become a cold heartless bastard where he has tried to decimate my own (and his) family with lies and innuendos yet he feels he is right as he is in scn

    He has called members of my (and his) family "Criminals" and many other derogatory statements... all untrue.

    ...and scn can drive a man to believe this about his own family with no actual events or reasoning, but the man himself also makes a choice. Despite it all, we are responsible for our own actions whether they be now or in the past.

    *edited to add* The reason I post this is that I feel it is important for people to know about. The more people the better... if we can stop just one more person becoming involved in scn then, it is my belief that, the story is worth it. */edit*
     
    Last edited: Feb 13, 2009
  20. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    Yes, we each approach the journey in our own way.
    We each choose our own path to wherever we're going.
    That's as it should be.
    As I said, "This was stated simply as my personal belief, not as advice to others."