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Bob Adams - Church of Scientology International Vice-President -- April 2014

Discussion in 'David Miscavige and Current Management' started by JBWriter, Apr 11, 2014.

  1. Udarnik

    Udarnik Gold Meritorious Patron

    Oh I agree. This using a word that everyone thinks they understand in a non-standard way (hello, ethics?) is a hallmark of $cientology. But it's perfectly legit to have honorary titles in a business. Japanese companies do this all the time to senior execs past their prime but not yet ready to retire - as Japanese firms are newbie-to-retirement socialist employment engines. The problem is using that honorary title in public. A make-work VP in Japan would never pretend to be a major officer of the company in public (but then, a Japanese firm would never send a make-work VP out as a mouthpiece).
     
  2. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on



    Great and valuable cheat sheet for everyone to know when listening to or reading press releases from Scientology's professionally trained con artists.

    It would be wonderful for more media outlets and journalists learn about these self-incriminating parts of the cult's holy scripture.

    Scientology: The world's only religion with an academy dedicated to training it's members to lie about their beliefs & practices. The academy also affords Scientologists the opportunity to clay demo how lying is the best way to create a world without criminality and insanity.
     
  3. Bea Kiddo

    Bea Kiddo Crusader

    JB here is a definitive, over-simplified answer to your question:

    His address is listed as the HGB, Suite 1200. That would be the 12th floor of the HGB, which is OSA. All of the 12th floor is OSA, period. Except they MAY have some RTC space, but he is not RTC (no RTC ever speaks, right?).

    It looks like he is a PR, which is a separate division of OSA and has nothing to do with the OPs.

    OSA OPs people have always been a separate and very secretive unit. Everything they do is super secret and regular staff are not at all informed of anything they are involved in. Ever.

    The other divisions of OSA would have no information about what the OPs are doing.

    Its has been secretive for the 30 years that I was involved in Scn and the Sea Org. Always. Should have seen the signs, eh?

    But I have never seen or heard of Bob Adams. But I have been out since 2004.... ]

    Hope this helps.
     
  4. RogerB

    RogerB Crusader

    JB, you are being brilliant again :biggrin:

    Actually, that (dealing with truth) is something I'd say they should drill the shit out of as that is the foreign item to them . . . but if we analyze that HCO PL and the Scn mind-set, being presented with the truth as SP interviewers do :melodramatic: . . . of course the presented truth has to be handled in the ways you highlighted.

    The trap is that the culties can't stand truth and call it lies, hence their perversion in handling it.

    The fact is, the truth of the Cof$ is so horrific it can't easily be confronted by decent folks and is easily made look to appear as a little off the wall.

    R
     
  5. Daisy

    Daisy Patron with Honors

  6. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    President Church or Scientology International Full Hat Check sheet:

    http://www.xenu.net/archive/go/heberhat.htm

    This is Heber's 1988 Checksheet, done when he re-treaded the course on how to be President of the CSI. It surfaced as the result of some legal action, and - at the time - I was asked to do some paralegal work researching its contents, so I can recall wading through the Green Volumes, plus confidential HCOPLs, plus stacks of confidential Hubbard Propaganda, Intel oobleck, in an attempt to de-code and explain this stuff to a "wog" attorney in a legal battle with Scn Inc.

    The check sheet shows that Heber had to, at least, be able to pretend to be an "executive," when confronting the "wogs," many of whom really thought he was the leader of Scientology Inc.

    The bulk of the check sheet has to do with PR and Propaganda, which was Heber's main job.

    At the same time, the check sheet also included the confidential Hubbard issue, INTELLIGENCE, ITS ROLE of 3 June 1973. http://www.suppressiveperson.org/sp/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/4D-19.pdf

    "We are potentially successful beyond the greatest dreams and aspirations of any former Intelligence service in the universe bar none.

    'Intelligence furnishes much of the data on which evaluation is based.

    "What could be called SUPPORT Intelligence (or attack or offensive Intelligence) is the other side of the coin, and also forms a vital part of Intelligence activities. But here Intelligence is carrying out part of a program furnished by evaluation to command and ordered executed."


    So, Heber was expected to have a over-all understanding of Intel in all its aspects, even though he would not be privy to many details in the highly compartmentalized area of on-going Scn Inc. Intel.

    Some understanding of Intel, and the relationship between PR and Intel, was necessary, as one of his jobs was covering up, with PR and Propaganda tactics, flubbed Intel operations.

    It's interesting that, these days, there doesn't seem to be a President of the CSI, only a Vice President.

    Is it possible that Miscavige became jealous of someone being regarded, by the "wogs," as the leader of Scientology, so he eliminated the position of President, leaving only Vice President. After all, no one is going to mistake the Vice President of the CSI with the leader Scn Inc.

    Anyway, my guess if that Adams' VP check sheet resembles Heber's old check sheet.

    PS: I just did a google image search of 'President of the Church of Scientology' and zero images of President Heber appeared; however, several images of Bob Adams, the VP, were prominent. I think President Heber, and perhaps the office of President, have been "erased":

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  7. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    The current Wikipedia article on Heber still lists him as the President, but also notes that he's not been seen publicly since 2004.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heber_Jentzsch





    [​IMG]






    He's 78 years old now and he told his brother:
    "I'll never get out of here alive"
     
  8. JBWriter

    JBWriter Happy Sapien

    Thanks, Bea Kiddo; your efforts never fail to educate/enlighten me (<--not an easy task, btw, lol) and I'm greatly appreciative. :thumbsup:

    First, let's make sure the acronyms used are understood by us all.

    HGB = Hollywood Guarantee Building, for those who didn't/don't know.

    OPs as used above and elsewhere may refer to:
    "OSA OPs" = OSA Operations Unit (Example sentence: "The folks in OSA OPs borrowed the office vacuum cleaner again.")
    "OPs" = Operatives (Ex.: "Those three people? Yep, they're OPs from up on the 12th floor.")
    "OPs" = Operations (Ex.: "Yep, I heard they ran some hush-hush OPs in Nevada, but now they're back in L.A.")

    So far, so good?

    I'd thought there were 2 separate OSA departments: Public Relations ("PR") and Legal.
    I'd thought that, generally speaking, PR managed media for CSI & all of the Co$ front groups, while Legal managed lawsuits & protesters.
    I'd thought that, Legal was the only department with the OPs staff/dirty tricks playbook.

    Is there an OPs staff under/within the PR department, too?
    Are there only 2 departments in OSA - PR & Legal - or are there more?

    CSI, I'd thought, was the international Corporation itself.
    1 international Corporate Division = OSA. (Many other international/domestic corporate divisions exist.)
    OSA International Division = 2 Departments (PR & Legal)

    Bob Adams, "VP of CSI" = Ill-defined title (whether intentional or not.)

    After reading BeaKiddo's post above that confirms Bob Adams works on the 12th Floor of HGB,
    and taking the "Spokesperson" title from the CSI current website page Type4_PTS kindly provided,
    it seems a more correct title after Bob Adams' name might be any 1 of the 4 below:

    "VP of CSI, and Spokesperson, OSA Division, PR Department"
    "VP of CSI, and Spokesperson, OSA Division, PR Department, OPs Unit"
    "VP of CSI, and Spokesperson, OSA Division, Legal Department"
    "VP of CSI, and Spokesperson, OSA Division, Legal Department, OPs Unit"

    As depicted in the short video clip in Post #1 of this thread, Bob Adams appeared at a public Zoning Board meeting in Georgia and introduced himself as "Vice President of the Church of Scientology".

    Had he instead uttered the words, "Office of Special Affairs" the word "special" would have raised a red flag in the minds of more than one non-scientologist in that room. Red flags would have prompted questions from the attendees/zoning officials, and Bob Adams would have had to address those questions....using the 'PR tech" described in earlier posts. <---Footbullet(s) and toe pain, guaranteed.

    And if he'd dared to utter "OPs Unit"? The public-at-large is well-acquainted with the phrase "black ops" -- enough to know it connotes 'something shady'. Red flags would yet wave, alarm bells would yet ring, and the video snippet in Post #1 would have been much longer...with a decidedly higher view count. Footbulletry run amok always makes for viral-sized viewing stats; people do love to watch liars squirm when they get called-out.

    Whoever Bob Adams is, he works for a group that does not authorize him to tell the truth, so he, along with anyone he speaks to in his role as "spokesperson" is the poorer for it. That's not fair to anyone involved.

    JB




     
  9. JBWriter

    JBWriter Happy Sapien

    I can understand wanting to get a group's message(s) out into the world.
    I can understand wanting to get a group's factual information correctly reported by journalists, too.

    What that policy authorizes & condones, however, does nothing to further the 2 understandable aims above.

    To read and "drill" the PR policy, over and over and over again, produces David Miscavige's Nightline appearance in 1990 (-ish).
    And every Tommy Davis media interview I've ever seen. (20 or so.) Especially the interviews with the BBC's John Sweeney.

    No viewer of average intellect & life experience can look at David Miscavige's interview on Nightline, for example, and later articulate correctly: what DM's message was or what factual information he presented.

    However, Bob Adams' brief appearance at the Zoning Board in Georgia, is an excellent example of how a simple job title - "vice president" - can be used to evade the minefield of natural doubt indigenous to minds untouched by scientology's corrosive effects. In one sense, Bob Adams 'got over' more effectively on that small Georgia audience using two little words, than did David Miscavige in 60 televised minutes broadcast to millions.

    JB
     
  10. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    Here's how I remember it to be. My info is 25 years old though so if there have been changes - someone please correct me.

    Within a regular CoS there is 1 department that is called the Department of Special Affairs, and it includes PR, Legal, as well as Intelligence functions. (possibly some others as well). All these areas work together to achieve the same purpose, "handling situations which result in the total acceptance of Scientology and its Founder throughout the area".

    There's policies that instruct on how you decide whether to handle a situation with PR, Intel, or Legal, and probably included in the post Veda made for the checksheet of the President.

    The OPs could be carried out by Intel, or farmed out to 3'rd parties including PI's.

    And while PR, Intel, and Legal work together to accomplish the same objective I imagine that what Bea said is true. Not all the OSA personnel will be aware of the OPs that are carried out. The info is compartmentalized, just as within any other intelligence agency.
     
  11. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    My recall is that OSA, the GO replacement, hired back some 'volunteer' criminals who were convicted and are currently wearing their voluntary criminal hats again, and that the GO and thus OSA actually had/has 7 divisions per Hubbard's spiraling awareness levels (7x7x7 = 342 or some LRH math answer..:biggrin: (reference would be the Org bd and livingness tape and related HCOPLs) . I think I have only seen 5 of the divisions published and they were IIRC known as Bureaus most commonly mentioned in OSA circles as B1, B2, B3 etc. Of course for the 'wog' world these would be further masked as VP, Director etc. These would correspond in some semblance to the 7 division org board of any Class V org. At least that is my understanding. I was not privy to the "network' issues/organizational doc's but I have run across an occasional one or more online.

    Keep in mind that at least as I understand it 'musical chairs' and top level cabals and 'coups' were taking place often in accordance who would/could claim the most "commode door intention' often stated in the scionacular as 'command intention'. :yes::headspin: Everyone in the "SO' is an elite, until someone else is. Right davey M boy?? the most elitist is whoever can "assume power" :punch::catfight: the best!
     
  12. JBWriter

    JBWriter Happy Sapien

    Wow - thanks, Daisy! :thumbsup::clap::thumbsup:

    And here we are, 8 years later.
    Can the public-at-large see evidence that Bob Adams' direct recruitment efforts produced 10 new members of Co$? 100? 1000? 10,000?
    Can the public-at-large see evidence that anyone directly recruited for membership in CoS by Bob Adams, whether 8 years ago or last week, has contributed anything worthwhile which positively benefits any other person (or living creature) in a town, state, country, continent, and/or Earth?

    I see Jillian Schlesinger.
    I see Leah Remini.
    I see Chris Shelton.
    I see Tory Magoo.
    I see Denise Brennan.
    I see Karen#1.
    I see Lori Hodges.

    I don't see Bob Adams, or anyone working on behalf of Co$, because they are not authorized to be seen as they really are - either to me or to themselves. And it's the latter that is the worst harm.
    Every person is entitled to see themselves completely as s/he is... except when that basic human entitlement is stolen.
    Thieves steal, that's what they do.
    Thievery as a spiritual aim to greatness - or greater beingness? Bullsh*t.
    Thievery as espoused within an applied philosophy? Bullsh*t, double serving.
    "Giving" a complete person "tools" to help steal larger and larger chunks until the person is eventually incomplete? That's bullsh*t scientology-style.

    JB
     
  13. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    According to Marty, former GO staff member George Pilat, is now serving as a public person doing work as a private investigator.

    This is snipped from a post Marty wrote back in 2010:

     
  14. cakemaker

    cakemaker Patron Meritorious

    Exactly right. The post titles are really meant to mislead.
    A similar thing happens in Celebrity Centers and at Flag. The post of "Captain" sounds impressive (from the old Sea Org ship days when a captain was a captain). The "captain" post was created to interface with the public so that they believe that someone in authority is paying them attention. In fact it is the "Commanding Officer" who has the power and is not easily accessible to the average Joe.

    As far as truth in Scientology goes, the truism that there is an equal and opposite policy for anything, applies.
    There is a PR Series issue called 'The Missing Ingredient' that has these quotes,

     
  15. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    That's from PR Series 2. In PR Series 1, Hubbard explains that there's PR of PR.

    It's necessary to read the rest of the PR issues, including confidential PR and Propaganda issues, plus confidential Intel issues, to see how this all fits together. :)

    I'll post these links of an earlier discussion on the general topic. (This was a quick re-post, and the link function has changed, on ESMB, since these links were made, but the info is still there.)

    #1: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=392325&postcount=38

    #2: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=392327&postcount=39

    #3: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=392331&postcount=40
     
  16. Bea Kiddo

    Bea Kiddo Crusader

    JB, your information is spot on. Ops is Operations. And yes, it is quite separated from everything else. People who work in that Dept have always been secretive and segrigated.

    -------

    Now, CSI, is another story. And more acronyms:

    FCB (Flag Command Bureaux) which is at the HGB (Hollywood Guarantee Building), at Hollywood and Ivar in LA, has many divisions:

    OSA
    FB (International Management arm for Orgs)
    SMI (International Management for Missions)
    IHELP (International Management for Field Auditors)
    ABLE (International management for - ugh, whatever Able does... I forget! Is it School stuff and Way to Happiness. CREEEEEEEKKKKK as my brain tries to work).
    WISE (International management for the cult running of non-cult businesses, etc etc).

    ALL OF THESE UNITS ABOVE are CSI.

    Then you have CS WUS, which would be the Western United States version of the same things. Then you have CS EUS, which is Eastern US version of the same things (for example all of those units listed above are in the branches - ABLE WUS, WISE EUS, etc etc). Same with CS EU (Europe) Af (Africa). All of them have OSA divisions OSA WUS, OSA EUS, etc.

    Most of the postitions are also mirrored down into the orgs, such as the DSA who represents OSA. In my unexperienced opinion, DSA's are not the same secretive OSA Ops (as much) as the ones higher up, who deal with the more gory stuff, so to speak.


    -------

    So, even if someone sued and won against CSI and bankrupted it, there are hundreds, maybe even thousands of other registered orgs/businesses. Like a lizard that regrows its tail.

    Hope this helps and does not confuse.
     
  17. JBWriter

    JBWriter Happy Sapien

    Terrific info, Bea Kiddo, and it's very helpful. :hattip::thumbsup:

    Using the above info, let's apply it to Bob Adams (and any other individual who serves as a "VP of CSI") in a regular corporate example.

    If CSI = General Motors Corporation, then...

    OSA = Pontiac Division Int'l.
    FB = Opel Division Int'l.
    SMI = Cadillac Division Int'l.
    IHELP = Hummer Division Int'l.
    ABLE = Chevrolet Division Int'l.
    WISE = Buick Division Int'l.

    CS WUS = GM US-Western Dealership(s) Territory
    CS EUS = GM US-Eastern Dealership(s) Territory
    CS EU = GM Europoean Dealerships(s) Territory
    CS Af = GM African Dealership(s) Territory

    Org-based DSA = Local Pontiac Dealership

    With me, so far?

    John Johnson, VP of General Motors Corporation, has control over 6 International Car Divisions and additionally, 4 huge Dealership Territories.
    John Johnson wields tremendous power/control over an extensive amount of people who work for/on behalf of General Motors Corporation.

    To a non-scientologist who has just read the above conversion cheat-sheet,
    Bob Adams, "VP of CSI", would wield a corresponding amount of power/control
    as exercised by John Johnson: 6 Int'l. Divisions & 4 Territories.

    But Bob Adams didn't truthfully inform the Zoning Board group in Georgia.
    That is, he didn't provide those nice Georgians with the long list all of the sub-entities over which CSI has authority.
    He didn't truthfully inform those people - instead, he relied on their using their own definition of "vice president" to evade/avoid simple doubt.

    Bob Adams (or any VP of CSI) is not authorized by Co$ to tell non-scientologists that he wields substantial power for 2 primary reasons:

    (a) he really doesn't wield actual power/control over anyone else in any meaningful way, or even (sadly) over his own thoughts/feelings; and,
    (b) only one person in Co$ wields power/control and it's not Bob Adams.

    Doubt is the much-feared enemy of all liars -- those who know they're lying and those who don't.
    Doubt is also the best friend of people who've found their way to ESMB and/or out of scientology. :yes:

    Type4_PTS posted about the "Intel" component of OSA.
    I think he's correct, and will need to reconfigure what I've previously posted.

    Should it read thus:
    OSA Division = 3 Departments: PR, Legal, and Intel.

    Or is Intel a Support Division, serving (and subservient to) the Main Divisions, PR & Legal?

    JB
     
  18. JBWriter

    JBWriter Happy Sapien

    Yes, Cakemaker, the job/position titles mislead no matter, it seems, the place/post/building/ship/etc.

    We've only been able to pin down two current titles for Bob Adams: "Vice President of CSI" and "Spokesperson".
    And that he works in Suite 1200 of the HGB, previously identified as the same floor as OSA offices are located.

    Has anyone seen or been sent any flyers that advertise Bob Adams giving a talk or making a presentation or attending a graduation or anything else? That would help us all figure out what other job functions/job titles he currently performs.

    JB
     
  19. aegerprimo

    aegerprimo Summa Cum Laude

    JBWriter!

    I hope you don't mind, but I posted a cut-and-paste of your "cheat sheet" at the Underground Bunker - http://tonyortega.org/2014/04/11/ve...david-love-and-two-others/#comment-1332671301

    I mentioned that you compiled this list for this thread with a link.
     
  20. Bea Kiddo

    Bea Kiddo Crusader

    Oops, I probably should have said this to start with: The position of President or Vice President in Scn is purely and strictly a PR position and has nothing to do with the day to day operations of the church, including CSI, etc.

    For example when Heber was President of CSI, he would never ever ever give orders or instructions to staff relating to the running of any org. He was a spokesperson for the church and, from staff on the inside, a highly respected person.

    We would not bow down or listen to his orders, but when he spoke, we liked to listen, out of respect, plus because he always had interesting stories to tell.

    It is the same with the President of CC Int. She (or he) has NOTHING to do with the management of the org whatsoever. She is a PR facing person who represents Scn to non-Scnists.

    Of course all of this is FAIL, but they fail to see that.