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Buying Into BS

Discussion in 'General Scientology Discussion' started by Chris Shugart, Mar 15, 2019.

  1. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    The Marxists mostly held forth in the East Bay.

    The Haight had communes largely based on first century christian communalism but also long on hip free enterprise.

    Kesey's "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest" could be thought the great Republican novel of it's day

    The marxists made more noise than converts
  2. The_Fixer

    The_Fixer Class Clown

    C'mon CP, I do have SOME manners! ;)Sometimes.....
  3. F.Bullbait

    F.Bullbait Oh, a wise guy,eh?

    Classic group BS.
  4. F.Bullbait

    F.Bullbait Oh, a wise guy,eh?

    Ah, do it the hard way...

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  5. DagwoodGum

    DagwoodGum Squirreling Dervish

    Peter Soderqvist

    A frequent comment I see on Scientology blogs is, “How does anyone fall for that crap?” I have an answer to that which occasionally gets an angry reaction. My answer is, “So what crap have you fallen for?” You see, I contend that everybody, at one time or another, will foolishly buy into some bogus pile of BS. They may not know it. They may never know it. But one thing I know is that even smart people fall for stupid ideas.
    The world overflows with ideologues, true believers, and followers of whatever dogma happens to be popular for the moment. And such devotion isn’t limited to religious beliefs and practices. Political and social movements too, abound with ardent supporters who profess and promote their particular causes.
    With all of these ideologies flying around, it’s a wonder that people manage to get along. Actually, they often don’t. Consider the overwhelming proliferation of mass media, social media, and camera phones, and you’ll see a society perpetually engaged in one loud, ongoing squabble about anything and everything.
    Maybe it’s just human nature. We always seem to be willing to mock the other guy’s crap. But our own crap? Why, that’s the real deal—unquestionable truths to live by. One man’s BS is another man’s gospel.
    Sometimes these ideological devotees turn into ideological zealots. This is the home turf of the fanatic and true believer. Whether it’s a religious zealot, a political radical, or social revolutionary, these are the extremists in society, militant ideologues driven by some grand philosophical theory. It doesn’t matter what the ideology is. If you have to consult your philosophy before you can make an observation, opinion, evaluation, or decision, you can miss the immediate situation in front of you. Reality doesn’t always conform to ideological precepts.
    As a former true believer, I like to think that I’ve since shed the rigid mindset that once ruled my life for so many years. And in the process of this change of thinking, I’ve become aware of the inflexible thought constructs of others. It’s like looking in a mirror of my former self.
    Perhaps someday I may have this dialogue:
    “How did you ever fall for that crap?”
    “How did you ever fall for your crap?”
    “I haven’t fallen for any crap.”
    “Yeah, famous last words. That’s what they all say.”


    What you'll find here on the ESMB is that you're preaching to the quire in that most people here have earned a Doctorate in cult psychology due to their experiences with Scientology.
    Heck, we all know we fucked up but as a result we are now some of the most difficult people for a cult to entrap as we've seen it all before and on a grander scale than most non Scientology types could ever even dream of.
    We've really seen it all and more, much, much more.
    But we don't like to dwell on the mistakes but rather on the lessons we've learned which is a much more healthy perspective to take.
    And accordingly none of us like to have our noses rubbed in our Scientology mistake and we're quick to read a less than honorable intent on the part of anyone trying to rub our noses in it all.
    And it's likely that anyone dissing on us for a one time gullibility on our part, it's probable that anyone taking a swipe at us over it is really taking a back handed swipe at their own gullibility by using us as a medium.
  6. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    I wish that what you wrote here is true, but don't feel it is at all.

    Getting sucked into a cult and than later leaving it doesn't automatically inoculate us from getting sucked into another one later.

    And I know at least one member of this forum who did in fact get sucked into a second one.

    To protect against a reoccurrence would require being totally honest with oneself, looking at what vulnerabilities we have which allowed us to get sucked into a cult. And then act to remove those vulnerabilities as best as we can.

    While that won't be exactly the same for everyone, it should include a real understanding of cults, including all the tactics they use to recruit and retain members, and a commitment to oneself to more thoroughly research any group before getting involved with them.
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