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Can Children be SP's?

Discussion in 'General Scientology Discussion' started by Xenu's Boyfriend, Jun 8, 2015.

  1. Xenu's Boyfriend

    Xenu's Boyfriend Silver Meritorious Patron

    Can someone answer a question for me, please? Apologies if this has already been discussed. I've been reading stories in the media that T.C. hasn't seen Suri in a year or more. I know that when Katie initiated the divorce, it was a critical time in Suri's Scientology indoctrination. My understanding is that part of the divorce settlement protects Suri from aggressive auditing and OT levels. Since she may not be studying Scientology or able to go up the bridge, does this make her an SP for Tom? Is it possible for a child to be declared an SP, or is it assumed that they are a minor and can't make their own choices?

    Perhaps all this is speculation, media and has no bearing in truth. Still, I wondered if Suri is being held responsible for the fact that she is not able to continue her training and thus is being kept from Tom or he is being encouraged to stay away from her. Any thoughts?
     
  2. Gizmo

    Gizmo Rabble Rouser

    More than half complicated question in that there is what scn teaches/believes & there is truth.

    scn teaches a child is just a ( their word ) 'thetan' in a small body. Believing that utter stupidity, yes, a child can be an 'sp'

    BUT, one has work through what is an 'sp'.

    Oh, are there evil people ? Yes. Fair to call an evil person an 'sp'? Well, OK.

    However just because the cult is pissed at someone does that make them an 'sp' ? Oops.

    See the problem ?

    The cult uses this 'sp declare' to control members to not associate with people the cult does not want them to associate with.

    So, all these cult terms like 'sp' etc are taken most seriously & enforced on cult members.

    The rest of us ? Couldn't care less about what the cult believes.

    You think all that cult stuff is a mess & makes for a messy life as a result of being tangled up in it? Well, seems it is that way.

    Cult member believes. Others laugh........or cry.

    Oh dear.
     
  3. SPsince83

    SPsince83 Gold Meritorious Patron

    According to Elwrong, SP is to the bone, lifetime to lifetime, so .............:omg:
     
  4. safeweb310

    safeweb310 Patron

    I have never seen a child he held responsible for their parent's decision about Scientology. however, the parents will be held accountable and the parents are the 1 who arranged visits with the other parent or whatever. if they are out of the church, this can make it difficult for the child to see the other parent. just like any divorce, lots of logistics are involved. I would not believe that Tom has not seen his daughter in all this time. in any case, the child would not be declared an SP for something like you mentioned.
     
  5. Gizmo

    Gizmo Rabble Rouser

    Gosh, now how does one get that bone from lifetime to lifetime ?

    What does a bone do in the between-lives time ?

    Oh, can that bone become a boner ?

    That El Wrongo fella was sumpin !
     
  6. lotus

    lotus stubborn rebel sheep!

    I've never known a situation of a child being officially sp declared.

    I've heard some $cientologists expressing their kid were sp..particularly in the case the child is living with the other parent (non-Scieno and the child refuse to get $cientology services or adopt the beliefs) Also, It did happened I heard parents labelling their child sp because of their 'pseudo-charasteristics' :confused2: (parents in this case were not having a prental firm control for what I thought was a lack of time invested with child education)
     
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  7. La La Lou Lou

    La La Lou Lou Crusader

    It's life experiences that make someone have personality disorders. Per Psychiatrists someone's experience would start at birth, scn would disagree and say that the experience that makes someone act nasty could be thousands of years ago.
     
  8. Knows

    Knows Gold Meritorious Patron

    She probably is a "Past Life SP" lolol:whistling:

    but better yet - Suri keeps missing Tom's Withhold and it entrubulates him and then he gets PTS because of all the overts he has on her and Katie . Tom did the PTS / SP Class and is an "expert" on the mind - so he twists the Tek to convince himeself they are both so PTS they have to be SP's.

    We all know the remedy standardly applied - yep, disconnection covertly or overtly...it is just the standard app....so Tom just avoids any contact and keeps his bubble nice and packed with Scientological bubbledwellers and Scientology Sea Morgue handlers. It just gets so time consuming and costly to get his Oat Tea ass to the INT Base to get those "withholds" Off and video recorded by Slappy Miscavige...
     
  9. Free Being Me

    Free Being Me Crusader

    $cientologists believe anyone could be or is an "SP." Family, friends, next door neighbors, complete strangers. It doesn't matter to $cio's as long as the Elcon lies are kept alive. That is until $cientology is used on them and sometimes not even then will they run for their lives out of the cult.
     
  10. Anonycat

    Anonycat Crusader

    Sure, she could, but since SP is thrown around all willy-nilly -- like Tom Cruises' auditor is now an SP -- the best guess I would make, is that Katie is an SP, making the kids PTS. But that's just a guess, knowing how they like to call whom, what. I'm sure until Cruises' current auditor leaves and speaks out, no one will know. Well, maybe Marty knows.
     
  11. Adam7986

    Adam7986 Declared SP

    The term SP exclusively refers to someone who is anti-Scientology. There is no other practical use for the term in Scientology despite what Scientologists have convinced themselves of.

    I have heard of at least one situation where a child was declared an SP, and the parents have been denied services as a result. I don't know all the circumstances, but the child was virulently anti-Scientology despite his young age. I overheard this when I was at AOLA working in HCO. The parents were legally obligated to care for the minor child, creating a catch-22. As far as I know, they did extension courses for a while and then faded away.
     
  12. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    In address to the OP; I once witnessed a Senior SO Exec tell an Auditor (who also happened to be the mother of a toddler), "He (the toddler) is an SP. You have to realise that one in every five people you meet is suppressive and your child is in that 20%!"

    I was shocked and horrified that that Exec (a mother herself) said this and wonder to this day why the toddler's mother just sadly accepted it as fact. That child is now a grown man. I won't comment on the fate of the relationship.

    The truth is that the child was demanding of his mother's attention and this was seen as counter-intention to her production (hours in the chair). Who could really blame him for acting out considering the schedule she kept in the Org? Sad.
     
  13. degraded being

    degraded being Sponsor

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    I would love to know the exact degree of PTSness TC is deemed to have to Katie.

    The way she went about the divorce and the endless anti scientology media that has come from it, seemingly, with no bad effects to her or Suri. And Katie took control of Suri , taking control away from Tom and scientology. Katie has done so much damage to TC's "safe pointing" of scientology she must be up there with Xenu
    in the cult's SP hall of fame.

    Katie is the SP in that household.

    I would love to know the amends TC has tried to do for that mess.
    I would love to know how the hell DM squared it all away, seeing how TC "pulled in" all that crap, and how TC was handled ---the velvet gloves to keep him working for scientology and at the same time having to deal with TCs highest ever stats AGAINST the scientology PR machine.

    I want to ack Tom Cruise. "Thank You". "Well Done".
     
  14. mrtampa2

    mrtampa2 Patron

    I have seen teenagers getting declared as SPs...
     
  15. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    It may well be that TC wasn't blamed at all seeing as how, in all probability, others arranged the marriage. If anyone got blamed and/or punished for missing Katie's obvious (now) "suppressiveness" it'd probably be some poor lackey such as Greg Wilhere.
     
  16. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on

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    It is possible that Tom became disoriented and confused when making an "indication" to Suri in order to "slam her ethics in". After all there are so many possible choices in Scientology of what to "declare" about another person.

    Perhaps before making a definitive decision about his child, Tom should consult his e-meter and do a quick assessment to determine what is "out" in Suri's "area".




    Abberative Acronym Assessment
    SHORT FORM

    WHAT IS SURI DRAMATIZING?

    SP

    DB

    PTS

    O/W

    R/S

    BPC

    R6EW

    MU

    GPM

    CI

    OI

    ARC X

    BTs







     
  17. lotus

    lotus stubborn rebel sheep!

    :yes:

    May be those too might be checked

    time track Incidents

    Aircraft Door Goals
    Gorilla Goals
    Bear Goals
    Invisible Picture Goals
    Train Goals
    Black Thetan Goals
    Heaven Implants
    Helatrobus Implants
    Obscene Dog Incident


    :confused2:

    side note: How a thetan can have color ????:unsure:
     
  18. NoName

    NoName A Girl Has No Name

    To this point.... I think Katie is the real problem. She was no longer with the program, and without ever once opening her mouth put on a show that told the entire country everything they ever suspected about TC / Co$ was true, and worse.

    I remember recently reading in the media that Katie believes she is Declared, but the Co$ denying it. Well, it's interesting cult doublespeak. If it isn't written it isn't true - and who of us recent blows has EVER seen a goldenrod. I sure haven't, but I am POSITIVE that I'm Declared. I purposely go to the laundromat across from the Org and they scatter like fucking cockroaches when they see me.

    So I don't think Suri is the SP. Theoretically, she could be, but I think the real problem she's PTS to Katie, and TC can't be connected to either of them. And in order to have visitation, there would have to be comm with an SP (Katie). See how that works?
     
  19. George Layton

    George Layton Silver Meritorious Patron

    You do realize that all of scientology is a fabrication of hubbards take on reality, for misinformed understanding, for deliberate misdirection, for the next step on the bridge, for the current representation of reality, for hubbard's misguided interpretation of what HE was experiencing. SP is anything that disqualifies hubbard's view of reality. What's true for some frick wit in the clutches of scientology, is true. Ask Tom.
     
  20. SPsince83

    SPsince83 Gold Meritorious Patron

    Gee Giz, two faced and literal minded. Perhaps you should do the modern thing and see a scientologist.:coolwink: