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Catastrophism and Scientology

Discussion in 'Evaluating and Criticising Scientology' started by Mimsey Borogrove, Dec 30, 2018.

  1. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    Mike - in the attached paper, it demonstrates an relationship between solar activity and the speed of rotation of the earth. There are three things about this micro nova theory that could cause a climate change here on earth.

    1) the rate the planet's rotation could change drastically in such a vast magnetic / solar wind / CME out burst scenario - even if short lived.
    2) the vast amount of cosmic radiation entering our planet's atmosphere would overwhelm the geomagnetic field, resulting in a very thick cloud cover and it's albedo effect.
    3) if there is a solar ejection of a vast dust cloud, it could remain in our atmosphere for centuries. Dust from volcanos has been shown to affect climate. See link about the year without a summer or google it.

    In the below graph you see this recurring pattern - a spike in temperature, followed by a rhythmic cooling off as the temperature drops 10 degrees Celsius (about 20 degrees Fahrenheit) before the whole cycle repeats. If there were a significanti solar nova that overheated the oceans, evaporating them on a massive scale, and followed by the dust, torrential rain and snow falls after resulting cloud / dust cover that built up the polar icepack, it could easily explain the recurring ice ages. We are at the start of a cooling off period. This cyclic co2 / temperature fluctuation is likely to be mostly unaffected by manmade emissions.

    The hypothesis that is being bandied about recently, is that there is a shorter, cyclic mini, albeit less potent than the above larger cycle, nova scenario. In this graph which corresponds to our current climate, there's a spike in temperature, followed by a crash. What could cause such a variation if not from the sun? Inter stellar dust clouds? Nearby supernova? There is a vast trove of data showing the relationship between solar output and weather. It seems obvious where to look.

    By the way - the infamous hockey stick of manmade co2 emissions is that tiny uptick at the far right of the graph - as you can plainly see, the earth was much hotter in the previous centuries than now.


    Sunspot activity, solar wind, Earth's rotation and climate on a decadal time-scale
    Mörner, N.-A.
    EGS - AGU - EUG Joint Assembly, Abstracts from the meeting held in Nice, France, 6 - 11 April 2003, abstract id. 9579
    Publication Date:
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    The Spörer, Maunder and Dalton Minima correlate reasonably well with observed periods of cold climate in the years 1440-1460, 1687-1703 and 1808-182. Therefore, a causal connection has been proposed. From the mode of changes in ocean surface circulation in the North Atlantic, two facts are established; viz. (1) that the recorded cold periods in western Europe, primarily, are driven by changes in ocean circulation (interchange of angular momentum between the solid Earth and the hydrosphere), and (2) that all the three periods of cooling represent periods when Earth’s rotation experienced a speeding-up (increased rate of rotation and decreased LOD). Sunspot activity and LOD express a good correlation when plotted against each other. This suggests (or indicates) that variations in the Solar Wind strength affect the Earth’s rate of rotation, which in its turn affects the oceanic and atmospheric circulation. The oceans being the Earth’s greatest store of heat has a vital impact on the redistribution of heat via changes in the ocean surface circulation. The Gulf Stream and the Kurishio Current, both bringing hot equatorial water to middle and high latitudes, have a central role in redistribution of heat and oceanic water masses (controlling the interchange of angular momentum). Similarly, the Humboldt Current play a central role in bringing cold low-latitude water up along the South American coast in ENSO and super-ENSO variability. In conclusion, there seems to be a strong causal chain-relation between sunspot activity, solar wind strength, Earth’s rate of rotation, oceanic surface circulation and regional climatic changes on a decadal time-scale.
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  2. PirateAndBum

    PirateAndBum Gold Meritorious Patron

    I notice that the temperature range on the 2nd graph is -25 to -60. What temp measurement is that exactly? Seems a tad chilly.

    The heading says ice core temp. They aren't just measuring the temp of the ice itself in the core are they?
  3. Iona

    Iona Patron

    We all died on the 21st of December 2012.

    This is the afterlife.
  4. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    Good question. The temperature on the upper graph makes more sense. But thanks to my finely honed cut and paste skills - I have your answer.
    It's the temperature in Greenland when the ice was made that day. Somehow, magically no doubt, they divine the temperature of the ice core sample when it froze. So, the top of the graph is -22 Fahrenheit, and the bottom -58 Fahrenheit. If you look at the scale on the left of the below graph the label, there is your answer. So the "present temperature" red line is not the temperature in Greenland, but the current global mean temperature, which is much higher. Mimsey

    Sorry - I couldn't resist....
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  5. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    So, could our sun have much larger CMEs / flares than the ones we have seen so far? Well, a bunch of research has been done observing other normal stars, similar to ours, and the answer is yes. So, this theory of a micro nova is not so far fetched if it occurs on other similar stars.

    Flashes from normal stars
    Publication Date:
    Stellar Activity, Stellar Flares, Variable Stars, Dwarf Stars, Hertzsprung-Russell Diagram, Stellar Magnetic Fields
    The characteristics of flashes from 24 normal stars are presented and discussed. Rate estimates are made for the flashes and possible mechanisms for them are considered. The consequences for the earth of solar flashes of varying intensities are examined.

    Startling superflares

    Stars that are just like our Sun have flares more than a million times more energetic than the biggest flare ever seen on the Sun. The Kepler satellite has allowed these superflares to be studied in detail for the first time.

    Superflares on solar-type stars

    Solar flares are caused by the sudden release of magnetic energy stored near sunspots. They release 1029 to 1032 ergs of energy on a timescale of hours1. Similar flares have been observed on many stars, with larger ‘superflares’ seen on a variety of stars2,3, some of which are rapidly rotating4,5 and some of which are of ordinary solar type3,6. The small number of superflares observed on solar-type stars has hitherto precluded a detailed study of them. Here we report observations of 365 superflares, including some from slowly rotating solar-type stars, from about 83,000 stars observed over 120 days.
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  6. Melody Gotrocks

    Melody Gotrocks New Member

    Hello, just good evening, for my first post on this board.
    Melody Gotrocks, nee Kragenschneider
  7. pineapple

    pineapple Silver Meritorious Patron

    I thought it was on November 8, 2016.
  8. PirateAndBum

    PirateAndBum Gold Meritorious Patron

    Hi Melody,

    Make a posting in the New Member Introductions section to introduce yourself.
  9. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    Hmmm...12/21/12. Interesting combination because Ocasio-Cortez said the Earth will end in "like...12 years".

    Could this just be coincidence?
  10. TomKat

    TomKat Patron Meritorious

    like yeah, for sure, like yeah
  11. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    I think her 12 year do or die date is for the birds, on the same magnitude of veracity as Al Gore's dire warnings, though Bill Maher sees it in a different light - that it's said to spur people into action. If you look at the maps of the ocean bottom - you see that the oceans were hundreds of feet lower. Her catastrophe is ant hill sized compared to the paroxysms that were in the past.

    Take a look at this image - see the rivers going down from the continental shelf? They must have formed when there was no water there. Fresh water is lighter than sea water, so they weren't formed by underwater fresh water flows and there since are no downward currents there, save the perpendicular north - south gulf stream types. How else could they have formed?


    Salt water with a substantial amount of salt dissolved in it is chemically and physically quite distinct from fresh water. First, salt water has substantially higher density (enough that in very salty water like the Dead Sea or The Great Salt Lake, it is very difficult to dive -- human bodies float substantially higher in the water). Secondly, salts like Sodium Chloride dissociate when dissolved in water into Sodium and chlorine ions surrounded by water molecules called ion complexes, which share the heavy ionic potential of the ions. So when you mix the two, (this is easy to see if you dissolve some food coloring into one of them), the salt water immediately sinks to the bottom (so it only contacts freshwater on a small surface) and at this boundary, there is a requirement for thermal energy if the salt water is fairly concentrated, slowing the diffusion of the two. However, if you wait a long while, you will see that they do mix-- this can be hastened by heating or by vigorous stirring... Such mixing will not occur if two liquids are immiscible -- like oil and water.
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  12. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    In exactly one year from today the date will be:

    02/02/2020 which reads the same both ways. Just thought I'd pass on that essential piece of information to y'all. :biggrin:
  13. DagwoodGum

    DagwoodGum Squirreling Dervish

    Birds are great! I once had a parakeet that used to dance on the bed when I played my guitar. Then in Florida I acquired a baby, still featherless Orange Wing Amazon parrot and taught her to sing. She would even wave her wings while she sang as I would make conductor hand motions when I sang to her and she picked that up along with the melodies. Oddly, though she could carry a tune she never was much of a talker, I understand that's a typical Orange Wing tendency
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  14. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    Oh! I'd love to have seen your parrot waving her wings as she sang.

    My pet crow vocalises a lot too, but the last thing in the world you would call that racket is 'singing'.
  15. Iona

    Iona Patron

    A favourite quote from Much Ado About Nothing:

    "I had rather hear my dog barking at a crow, than a man swear he loves me."

    I've always found that very funny.

    And I do so like Crows.
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  16. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    Glad to hear you like crows. Lots of people don't because they pecked at corpses on the battlefields of WWI & II. Very clever birds but very suspicious of humans. Mine slipped on the ice on my window ledge while I was was feeding it yesterday and fell off. I had to laugh.

    Well, I say mine, he's not mine at all, just a wild bird I've managed to more or less tame (nigh on impossible according to some articles I've read on the net).
  17. DagwoodGum

    DagwoodGum Squirreling Dervish

    When we got her I placed her under a light bulb for warmth inside a 10 gallon aquarium which I then placed above the TV so she'd see us as watching over her even though we'd be watching our shows. She got too socialized which was why I ultimately sold her to a breeder who placed her in a massive aviary & cage with a male Orange Wing. She's had a better life than cooped up in a small cage where she put up a fierce raucous when left alone. She ALWAYS insisted on human interaction and was a wonderful bird, just too much of a handful!
    She couldn't learn words too well but as long as I'd sing "la, la, la, de laddy lady la..." she could learn the melodies and looked like a little orchestra conductor with her well timed wing flapping. I had an endless loop bird training tape with the melodies that I worked on with her, the tape helped make her feel like she had our attention when we weren't home as I had it on a timer.
  18. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    I'm sorry, but any idea of a bird being kept in a cage gets me frothing at the mouth with rage.
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  19. DagwoodGum

    DagwoodGum Squirreling Dervish

    Yeah, cages are merely for coping with a bird that would only find trouble if left out. She would find string to get herself entangled in, usually she'd get it all twisted around her feet and would have to be rescued when she'd get tangled up when hanging upside down from it. She was too acrobatic for her own good. The aviary cages were like 12' high by some 8 feet across so she could actually fly around, like small silo's.
  20. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    They're social animals so need a flock. They don't do well alone and don't learn well that way, either. A partial clipping and baby-proofing a house for a bird works. That way they can still fly, but mostly stay to certain areas and realize they're not in charge. Parrots can get real ornery and headstrong if they think they're in charge, same as dogs. They're just as happy submissive, it's their nature.

    They're a challenge to train not to chew, though, and need to have things that are okay for them to gnaw on so they are satisfied not to chew up your furniture.

    A huge, walk-in outdoor aviary is ideal, but then you have to have the right weather or temperature control.
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