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Chick Corea, Heber Jentzsch, Ingo Swann, and Scientology's 1977 OT Summit!

Discussion in 'Tony Ortega' started by Smilla, Aug 4, 2012.

  1. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    I have no idea what you're going on about.

    Here's the definition of "Operating Thetan" from the 'Scientology Technical Dictionary', 1975:

    "OPERATING THETAN, 1. a thetan exterior who can have but doesn't have to have a body in order to control or operate thought, life, matter, energy, space, and time. 2. willing and knowing cause over life, thought, matter, energy, space and time. And that would of course be mind, and that would of course be universe. 3. an individual who could operate totally independently of his body whether he had one or didn't have one... this state is being attained by drills and familiarity after the state of Clear has been attained."
     
  2. Div6

    Div6 Crusader

    True dat.....
     
  3. DagwoodGum

    DagwoodGum Squirreling Dervish

    I once thought in such terms, as promulgated by L. Ron Hubbard, but have since come to see that there are genetic factors and complexities involved that he wouldn't have acknowledged as these elements wouldn't feed his no account ATM account. He thought it more profitable to distill our makeups down to his engramic theories. Once these proved unworkable it became all about body thetans. Once these theories failed, and his imagination seemed to have run dry, he simply went into hiding and had his aids make regular cash withdrawals to keep him a happy camper in his Slipstream trailor, probably the best place for him. Too bad he wasn't buried in it like a giant sarcophagus. :dance3:
     
  4. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    If you want to tell me what is eating at you, I'll be glad to listen; however, I don't want to argue with you in tape-loop relentless fashion.
     
  5. thetanic

    thetanic Gold Meritorious Patron

    I'm somewhere between you and Mark on that scale. I do believe that improving one's mental outlook can improve one's body, but there are also genetic factors that may make that easier or more difficult.

    I've stopped blaming myself for being sick. More importantly, I stopped ignoring being sick once I was out. Strange thing is, once I got out? My chronic allergies went away. (Not the worst of my illness, but certainly the most obvious.)
     
  6. Mark A. Baker

    Mark A. Baker Sponsor

    How is that different from my post?

    I specified that the being can influence the body, but I did not suggest that the body itself does not have its own physical determinants. Where auditing appears to produce a physical change that change appears to be one dependent on psychological states of the being. That does not exclude non-psychological factors effecting the body.

    Whatever the impact of a spirit on the organism it is clear that any mechanism has innate limits of performance.

    Besides, I'm bipolar and that has been shown to have a genetic component in its expression. But it also has been shown to be at least partially responsive to non-physical interventions.

    The reality is the mind/body problem is more complex than simple paradigms suggest.


    Mark A. Baker
     
  7. thetanic

    thetanic Gold Meritorious Patron

    Fair enough, we agree. :)