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Discussion in 'Scientology Technology' started by uniquemand, May 10, 2010.

  1. uniquemand

    uniquemand Unbeliever

    There have been many threads about the subject of people going or being "Clear". There's even one with the title "The State of Clear". However, I wanted to start one up with a clarification (sorry) from former Snr C/S David Mayo.

    Comes from the following link:


    By David Mayo, USA.

    In late 1978, the state of "dianetic clear" was announced. Within a few months two other "states of clear" were introduced: the state of "natural clear" and the state of "past life clear".

    This change had two immediate consequences:

    1. The number of people attesting (correctly or falsely) to having attained the "state of clear" increased enormously.
    2. During and after that period, there was a considerable amount of upset and confusion about the "state of clear".

    There were those who considered that a dianetic clear was not a "real clear" and that the only "real clear" was one who (like them) had done the Clearing Course. Some felt that they had gone clear in their last lifetime. Some felt that dianetic clear explained why they had never been able to run dianetic auditing successfully. A large number of auditors, C/Ses, and others felt that there were a lot of people falsely attesting to the state of clear and either

    a. Felt unethical about letting the person attest, or
    b. Tried to handle it and ended up involuntarily invalidating the pc. No matter how this was "handled", it has persisted as a problem. So we can at least assume that there are aspects of it that haven't been taken into account and handled.

    Let us examine more closely what happened in late 1978 and early 1979. LRH was being audited and concluded that one of the things wrong with his case was that he had been audited on dianetic auditing after he had attained the "state of clear" (which he at first thought had occured in objective processing). He then issued a bulletin forbidding the running of dianetic auditing on clears and made various other technical and administrative changes.

    He cancelled the state of "keyed out clear" by stating that it was the same state as "clear". He changed the definition of "clear" (and subsequently changed it several more times). He order ed that the folders of pcs (and the pcs themselves) who might have gone clear in orgs and missions be routed to Advanced Orgs. This action resulted in an emptying out of the orgs and missions and a flood of people arriving at the AOs.

    At first, people were being declared clear regardless of what they thought they had gone clear on or when this had occurred. More importantly, they were being declared clear regardless of the state of case or condition they were in. In fact, one bulletin went so far as to advise that case and ethics trouble could be caused by a person having attained clear without having the state acknowledged. As a result, many persons who were declared clear were actually in very poor condition. This practice reflected badly on the "state of clear" and the workability of the tech. It caused a great deal of upset and confus ion on the subject of clear.

    At that time there was a shortage of instructions on how to handle dianetic clear technically and a general lack of data on the new subject of "dianetic clear". However persons accused of mis-handling dianetic clear were handled with heavy ethics. The "invalidation of clear" was named a Suppressive Act, while permitting someone to attest falsely was also a serious ethics offense.

    A step in the procedure for handling these new clears was to establish the date when the person went clear. Sometimes the date so found would be before scientology or even prior to the pc's lifetime. When LRH heard that some persons considered that they had attained the "state of clear" in an earlier practice such as Buddhism, he became very upset. He stated that the idea that a person could go clear through any other means than scientology was "suppressive". At a certain point, he also got upset at the fact that people were concluding that they had gone clear in scientology auditing. So he specified that a person can validly go clear only in dianetic auditing. He handled the "earlier than this life time" clears by deciding that they either went clear in their last lifetime in dianetic auditing (presumably if they were young enough for this to be possible) or had attained a new state he dubbed "natural clear". His new theory was that some people had never been anything but clear. However, he refused, thereafter, to issue any further clarification of what he meant by this assertion.

    Throughout this period, the definition of clear and/or dianetic clear kept changing - in the direction of dilution. Thus people came to expect less and less from the "state of clear", while the number of new clears (and thus new arrivals at AOs and Gross Income) steadily increased. None of the new definitions of "clear", and none of the new techniques for handling clears or programming them for further actions, really solved any of the problems caused by the advent of dianetic clear.

    It is of interest that the definition of "clear" had already been changed several times between its first definition in DMSMH (The book, Dianetics: Modern Science of Mental Health, 1950, by L. Ron Hubbard) and the time the idea of "clear" was put forth. In DMSMH, a clear was said to be 4.0 on the tone scale, with no aberrations (held down sevens), no psychoses, neuroses, nor psychosomatic illnesses. The clear was said to have eidetic recall and highly enhanced perceptions and creativity. Although this chappie didn't have any OT powers, he was definitely quite a phenomenon!

    It is also significant that the attributes of a clear, as described in DMSMH, were never actually attained, although in reading DMSMH, one might be led to believe that they were. When people started attesting to clear, the definition was watered down to the vague generality "at cause over mental MEST as regards the first dynamic". This definition can mean many different things to many different people. Anyone is at least somewhat causative over his own mind. So anyone can find an interpretation of this definition of "clear" that he can attest to. The states of "MEST Clear", "Theta Clear", "Cleared Theta Clear", "Clearing Course Clear", "Clear-OT", and, finally, "Dianetic Clear", and "Word Clear" were equally absolutistic when first stated, but when people started attesting to them, the definition of each, or the criterion for allowing a pc to attest to each, was similarly watered down. This sequence has been repeated over and over throughout the history of scientology.

    LRH correctly stated that absolutes are unattainable. And the notion of "clear" is an absolute. It's like the notion of "clean" or "pure". When is water pure? When it has only one part per million of arsenic and rat poop? Nowhere in the universe is there water which is 100% pure. To obtain complete Clarity would require a complete as-isness of any universe the thetan was in and a return to complete native state. Everyone does have a reactive mind - his own reactive mind. That's why one flies ruds and goes E/S and gets off BPC on anyone regardless of their point on the grade chart. The mechanics of the reactive mind continue to exist all the way up.

    "Clears" have always had trouble explaining why they still act reactively at times, or a lot of the time, and why they still have problems in life and in getting along with people. The amount of mileage you can get from the notion of a "cleared Cannibal" is very limited. Even a cleared cannibal, if he were really clear, would get along wonderfully in life, never manifest misemotion, and love all his fellow beings, even as he was having their bodies for dinner!

    The idea of "harmonics of clear" is quite accurate. The main reason why LRH blew up at the idea of "harmonics of clear", as expressed in the HCOB I wrote, was, as he told me, that this idea tended to leave him open to the charge that the claims he had made in DMSMH and elsewhere concerning the "state of clear" were fraudulent.

    The truth appears to be that there are various stages of release, at each one of which you are clear-er than you were. A person experiencing the glee of insanity is clear-er than someone who is just completely unconscious. It was PR and marketing considerations that led Hubbard to decide that certain people were "clear" at a certain point, and that they therefore had no reactive mind. However this assertion is a lie, and a very destructive one, one that denies case gain to a great many people and provides a too-convenient rabbit button for pc's, auditors and C/S's who are having trouble with the pc's case. The claim that case and ethics problems can be caused by being clear was:

    1. Absurd on the face of it.
    2. A declaration of open rabbitting season.

    Trying to define "clear" is difficult because it is being done over a lie. We either have to restore the meaning of clear to its original absolute meaning (which means that there aren't any clears in existence), or we have to say that what people have attested to as clear is actually only a state of release or reduction.

    We can say that the purpose of auditing is to clear aberrations and that if all aberrations were cleared, a "state of clear" would be attained. The concept of "clear" is useful as an ultimate goal, like the goal of perfect happiness or of perfect anything. It is a direction in which to continue to progress. It is not an attainable state (at least given our present level of technology).

    Another part of the problem is that the states of release and clear are only subjective. Asking an aberrated person to decide when he feels or thinks that he is no longer aberrated, is asking for a delusory "cognition" from the start. At one time [ca. 1959. Ed.], LRH postulated that the state of clear could be objectively proven by the presence of a "free or floating needle" and a TA position of 2.0 (Female) or 3.0 (Male). But this was an unverified guess that did not stand the test of time.

    Perhaps what we have been calling "clear" is "no longer chronically affected by engrams" or "engrams no longer in chronic restimulation." As such, the state would be more accurately described as a state of release or as a state of reduction. In other words, it would mean that the majority of a person's aberrations had gone into abeyance.

    Regardless of what the state is named, the recognition that a person can continue to be come clear-er, restores hope and makes progress possible again.


    Looks to me, and I agree, that the most you can say about "Clear", at this time (perhaps, ever), is that people can presently be free of restimulation, which is a fancy way of saying they have their rudiments in, or are in present time. While this is a far cry from having special abilities, or from a persistent "state", I think it IS honestly available, and a better frame of mind to be in than "persistently enturbulated with very little ability to differentiate, and loudly dramatizing". It strikes me as something which is DONE, rather than something which one IS.
  2. Winston Smith

    Winston Smith Flunked Scientology

    I'm not very clear about clear. I am decidedly foggy about clear. :duh:
  3. Smilla

    Smilla Ordinary Human

    Could we talk about Unicorns instead?
  4. uniquemand

    uniquemand Unbeliever

    Was someone here trying to become a unicorn?
  5. Smilla

    Smilla Ordinary Human

    I can't answer upper level questions like that as it might restimulate you.
  6. Smilla

    Smilla Ordinary Human

    Or fairies. Fairies are cool. 'Clear' is just a myth.
  7. uniquemand

    uniquemand Unbeliever

    Well, "State of Clear", as defined and hyped and promoted and then SOLD by Hubbard, is most certainly a myth. There ain't none. However, the concept of "being clear" (no capital!), could be useful, as an objective for a real therapy, in my view (as qualified in first post, at the end).
  8. Smilla

    Smilla Ordinary Human

    This makes sense to me:


    The state of 'clear' defined and lied about by Hubbard, is pretty subhuman, in my opinion. Think that one over.
  9. Mark A. Baker

    Mark A. Baker Sponsor

    See the subject line above. Unicorns aren't considered to be a part of Scientology Technology. :no:

    Mark A. Baker
  10. uniquemand

    uniquemand Unbeliever

    That makes sense to me, as well! Love Maslow. I imagine most people who are on their way to self-actualization are probably mostly clear (note the lowercase letter), at least while they are working towards the goals that represent their actualization. Where people are self-sabotaging, codependent, unwilling to try, pursuing scripts written for their lives by others, etc., I wouldn't think they were clear. :)
  11. Smilla

    Smilla Ordinary Human

    I always suspected there was missing data. But actually look through the L's. You'll find a unicorn reference :omg:
  12. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    That is Maslow Do you think LRH "borrowwed' from him ?
  13. uniquemand

    uniquemand Unbeliever

    You can find unicorn references in many different places. Does that mean that they should be the topic of all the threads on this board?
  14. Smilla

    Smilla Ordinary Human

    Personal growth is not a linear process, and self-actualization is not a fixed state. Thankfully.
  15. PeterMan

    PeterMan Patron with Honors

    Clear is a state of mind.

    Therefore does not exist in the material plane.

    It is a postulate for a more perfect future.

    It is common for a Clear to relapse, then the $ says its yer body thetans, altho they dont tell you that, just state that your state of mind is in jeopardy lest you commit to aughtthree.

    A Clear concept is to have your basic personality fengshuied as you want it right now without any inteference, but the thought processes involved in the Bridge are so complex that it is a catch-22.

    Meditation is healthier.

    Another concept would be dat OTaight is theetaclire and only den r u a twu cwear. And dat all dwe pwocessess up to den is to fix da bwain so u can feng shui agin.
  16. Smilla

    Smilla Ordinary Human

    I doubt it. It lacks the 'triumph of the will' stuff he liked so much.
  17. uniquemand

    uniquemand Unbeliever

    I'm not looking to grow. I'm not a plant. I am looking to "actualize". I have lifelong dreams that I have not lived. These don't include perfect calculation, eidetic recall, etc. My goals are basically to live in my own home, decorated like a starship, but built in a sequoia tree, near the sea. I don't think that my goals need to be static, but I would like to live this one for a while.

    Perhaps you are misreading what I am saying, and associating it too strongly with what Hubbard was saying. I never understood being Clear to mean you were a functional robot who was always Hap Hap Happy as Fucking Hell living in a John Madden-size house, 2.5 cars in the yard, life used to be so hard type of thing. I'm talking about approaching your goals without living in a state of "enturbulation" (though being able to roll with unexpected or unwanted changes as they arise, which is likely).
  18. Kutta

    Kutta Silver Meritorious Patron

    If this is your definition of clear, then I reckon there are way more 'wogs' who are clear than scinos.

    "persistently enturbulated with very little ability to differentiate, and loudly dramatizing" is a pretty good description of me and others while in the cult. Well, actually I wasn't that loud.
  19. Hatshepsut

    Hatshepsut Crusader

    Thanks for posting uniquemand. I was always running keyed out states of OT etc on Int rundowns and conditions lists. I proclaimed one time that clear for me was just a state of more or less submerged as time went on. There was no absolute that could not be dimmed by the process of life as you lived it to the the fullest. I thought at the time that I would be crammed. Nope. I DO understand that when some got their Clear verification and the rehab on it, that their ruds came back in and they began to feel purposeful and connected again. :eyeroll: When one is no longer affected by a bank that inhibits the identity one is in it feels great to be validated. :thumbsup: We all knew there were ultimate banana peels to slip on I'm sure in the future. It is hard to tell someone in a fantastic state of release who is enjoying it due to having his recent "clearness" attested that there is no absolute state of it. Even the 'Native State' guys would have taken offence probably if they had been made to accept they were only enjoying releases. We have all gone thru states repetitively.
  20. uniquemand

    uniquemand Unbeliever

    Oh, yes! There are many more "wogs" who are clear than Scios, by that definition, if for no other reason than that there are only about 25,000 scios, and about 5.5 billion "wogs". I'd bet that most scios don't experience very much "clarity" anymore, at all, unless they are rather wealthy public who can afford to pay any rate without upset, and where the Church needs them more than they want to dominate them. Certainly, I experience that clarity sometimes often, sometimes rarely, depending on whether I'm submerged, as Hatsheput puts it, below...

    We all occasionally need to call Tech Support.