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CNN Anderson Cooper Scn program!

Discussion in 'Movies, Plays, and Documentaries about Scientology' started by fnx3, Mar 30, 2010.

  1. Blue Spirit

    Blue Spirit Silver Meritorious Patron

    Orders of Importance

    When you think about it, beating people is certainly not the most important story in Scientology. Hubbard is supposed to have punched people more than once.

    Disconnection is more important.

    Coerced Abortions are more important.

    The Lost Workable Tech is more important.

    The degraded way people are threatened and regged and coerced is more important.

    The brainwashing and hypnotizing (forced viewpoints) is more important.

    The non-religious feel and atmosphere is more important.

    The Fair Game Policy is more important.

    The declaring of anyone and everyone without court or hearing is more important.

    The financially ruined lives are more important.

    Knowing Scientology became a psychotically run subject is more important.

    Knowing Scientology has its own secret "security agency" is more important.

    The fact that one is forbidden to LOOK and know for oneself is more important.

    Knowing the truth of LRH's background and worship of him is more important.


    Anderson Cooper picked the most sensational area to speak of and also probably the most difficult one to prove.

    The only good thing about this is that many will be curious enough now to go look on the net, S.O. excluded of course.


    The BBC's report will be better by far without any doubt.
     
    Last edited: Apr 4, 2010
  2. SomeGuy

    SomeGuy Patron Meritorious

    Hubbard was wrong about a whole lot of things.

    Chances are this is yet another one.
     
  3. Smilla

    Smilla Ordinary Human

    It attracts attention to itself by it's noisy nuttiness.
     
  4. olska

    olska Silver Meritorious Patron

    Beating on people, otherwise known as assault, is a felony crime. The repeated commission and cover-up of felony crime -- particularly by those within an organization that CLAIMS to have such a positive effect on society, is legitimate material for investigative journalism.

    These may be "more important" to scientologists -- a very small group of people compared to the number of people reached by CNN news shows -- but not "more important" to most CNN viewers, who are not in any way affected by those things you mention above.

    All the other "more important" things you listed may be abhorrent to you given your personal ideas of what "scientology" is supposed to be, and to many other people for a wide variety of reasons; but keep in mind that many of those who have been, and still are, involved with scientology CHOSE to submit to these practices rather than walk away, thereby contributing to the continuation of those very practices. Their right to make such choices while following their religious rituals, beliefs, and practices -- is protected under their freedom of religion.

    None of the above are felony crimes unless you can prove fraud in regard to the "financially ruined lives." There may be some very good evidence and cases for an accusation of fraud, but afaik none yet proven.

    IMO "coerced abortion" is a whole lot more sensational, particularly when it's done by a so-called CHURCH, and particularly in the current political climate where pro-"life" and pro-"choice" factions already have such loud arguments going on. But fact is that in the USA abortion is legal, getting an abortion is not a crime, "suggesting" someone get an abortion is not a crime, and the decision to actually undergo an abortion is, ultimately, the choice of the affected woman.

    Did you find Anderson Cooper's coverage of the earthquake in Haiti and resulting devastation to also be "typical 1.1 journalism"?

    If not journalists, who do you think is best equipped to investigate, report on and thus bring to our attention the things in the world that we need to know about?

    Or should we just go about our personal business and ignore all the unpleasantness of life and hope it will go away because we don't put any attention on it?

    Just curious...
     
  5. Mest Lover

    Mest Lover Not Sea Org Qualified

    How did Mike Rinder get a broken wrist?
     
  6. Smilla

    Smilla Ordinary Human

    Snapped it swearing on a Bible, maybe.
     
  7. Mest Lover

    Mest Lover Not Sea Org Qualified

    SIT DOWN BIBLE! I'M GONNA BEAT YOU!

    Owwwwwch! DM, Why didn't that work.


    DM: "feel my finger?"

    Sorry Mr. Rinder.

    They didn't mention that touch assists by SCNers miraculously heal all evidence of beatings.
     
  8. Blue Spirit

    Blue Spirit Silver Meritorious Patron

    You Make Good Points

    You make a number of good points, and the choices of people without full integrity will perpetuate this game for the foreseeable future.
    I'm one of the guilty ones and it has cost me dearly.

    As far as A. Cooper, I prefer hard investigative reporting, more like the BBC or
    the St.Pete Times.

    I wish I'd taken the newspaper out of the box behind Flag when I saw the headline about Lisa McPherson. That would have saved me uncalculatable grief ! :bigcry:
     
  9. Blue Spirit

    Blue Spirit Silver Meritorious Patron

    Can't Disagree

    So very True.
     
  10. Blue Spirit

    Blue Spirit Silver Meritorious Patron

    Irresistable

    Wishful thinking: On you know who's face.

    It amazes me no one has done so.

    Even LRH had someone jump him at FCDC once, or so the story goes.
     
  11. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    Anderson did what he could He got little timeslots because THE WORLD DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND SCIENTOLOGY

    CNN could easily have programmed another subject.
     
  12. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    Alonzo was right but more specificaly is: HCOB PTSness and DISCONNECTION section titled HOW TO DICONNECT "Example: A pc is connected to a person or group who has been declared suppressive by HCO in a published ethics order. He should disconnect and if he he wants to inform the SP of the fact, he may write a letter of disconnection and the reason for it............ No attempt would be made to establish communication with the declared SP 'to clear matters up' or to seek to reform the SP. The SP's reform is stictly in the hands of HCO. The PTS simply disconnects. To fail or refuse to disconnect from a suppressive person not only denies the PTS case gain, it is supportive of the suppresive
    - in itself a suppressive act. And it must be so labled."

    HCOPL Suppressive Acts, Supprression of Scientology and Scientologists "Continued adherance to a person or group pronounced a suppressive person or group by HCO."

    HCOPL Offeses and Penalties "Continued association with squirrels."

     
  13. Tiger Lily

    Tiger Lily Gold Meritorious Patron

    Yes -- that is what I remember reading. It looks to me like you don't even have to know Scientologese to understand what's being said there.

    That just has to come up in an interview sooner or later. I want to see Tommy Davis or somebody explain that after they've just asserted that disconnection is not part of church doctrine.

    Thanks :) TL
     
  14. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    I also would like to see that. Perhaps on a future visit to CNN by Tommy that can be addressed.
     
  15. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    True, but the reason I use the Suppressive Acts PL is because the original version can be proven to come directly from LRH from 1965, and all other mentions of disconnection - as far as I know - come after that and refer back to it.

    As far as I know, the Suppressive Acts PL was the original policy which created disconnection for Scientologists. And it was from L Ron Hubbard - not some DM "perversion" of the tech, which some people like Jim Logan say about the PTSness and Disconnection HCOB.

    And since it has been around since 1965, way before DM got involed in Scientology, or Tommy Davis, or any of the other liars, you can show that disconnection not only exists in Scientology but has a long and robust tradition.

    It's like Coke Classic, rather than "New Coke".

    You can also show that Hubbard pretended to cancel it during the "Reform Code of 1968" when the New Zealand and Australian inquiries were going on.

    So it not only shows a long history of disconnection in Scientology, but Scientologists lying to outsiders about it - going straight back to L Ron Hubbard.
     
  16. freethinker

    freethinker Sponsor

    They both work and in combination they are more damning.
    I can see you are a purest.
     
  17. HappyGirl

    HappyGirl Gold Meritorious Patron

    You should be on the show with Anderson Cooper, KV!!
     
  18. KnightVision

    KnightVision Gold Meritorious Patron

    http://www.cnn.com/video/

    Scroll down to Allegations of Abuse; What's the Truth for the complete last interview with Marty, Tom and Jeff at the end.
     
  19. KnightVision

    KnightVision Gold Meritorious Patron

    In a way, I am. Thanks for your support.
     
  20. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    Yes, I agree that the combination makes them more voluminous to outsiders and paints an even clearer case for the depravity of Church management.

    And yes, I am a purist. I seek only the purest bullshit from L Ron Hubbard himself.

    Nothing else will do.