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Concerning the Ethiers and Blackmail

Discussion in 'General Scientology Discussion' started by Tanstaafl, Apr 8, 2011.

  1. Tanstaafl

    Tanstaafl Crusader

    I have received auditing post-CoS from two auditors.

    1. Victoria Ballard: Vicky was faxing worksheets to Pierre Ethier while I was in the room with her. She told me how she always used Pierre for C/Sing and how she had visited him and his wife, plus other information concerning Ethier that is not relevant to this thread. I paid Vicky for the C/Sing. She told me that she then paid Ethier.

    2. Diana (who posts on this forum): IIRC Diana also used Ethier for the C/Sing. She spoke of Ethier with whom she was on good terms at the time.

    Now, I don't claim to have a perfect memory, but I'm content to post this information as Terril knows Vicky and can check the facts, plus Diana posts here and can correct my account, if necessary.
     
  2. Tanstaafl

    Tanstaafl Crusader

    If someone C/Ses and doesn't know the identity of the PCs how can they categorically state they have not C/Sed someone? :duh:
     
  3. Tanstaafl

    Tanstaafl Crusader

    And post a video Feral, so we know you didn't quickie them! :yes:
     
  4. Feral

    Feral Rogue male

    I'm sorry Mr. KSW.

    I think I just spotted the MU that caused me to blow. You know that bit in the declare that advises "if he should come to his senses and recant...." I know why it's there! This thread has opened the door to me getting back on the bridge, and to think I thought that the drek in here was proof that the tech didn't work....hang on....never mind.
     
  5. Freeminds

    Freeminds Bitter defrocked apostate

    Oh, the Tech works alright.

    It's just that most people don't seem to realize that its purpose was embezzlement.
     
  6. Emma

    Emma Con te partirĂ² Administrator

    Thanks Terril. :D
     
  7. Vinaire

    Vinaire Sponsor

    The underlying problem is that Scientology requires data from the pc to analyze his/her case just like psychoanalysis did. This is really not necessary to bring about relief to a person.

    Comment on Psychoanalysis

    The rest what you see in Freezone is CONFUSION due to a theory of Scientology auditing that works by luck, and which is further corrupted because of fixed attention on money.

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  8. Jump

    Jump Operating teatime

  9. Voltaire's Child

    Voltaire's Child Fool on the Hill

    No. The underlying problem is human nature and certain authoritative mindsets evidenced in the cult of CofS that sometimes make it over into the Free Zone, which then justify viciousness all in the name of tech and freedom.

    It doesn't have jack shit to do with whether auditing is good or not. This shit would have happened regardless because of the type of people involved. Ekatherine Ethier is not a Free Zoner and does not receive auditing and she's been quite vicious. Those who are sticking up for her and her husband do so because of the above factors, not because they held the cans for someone. They'd act like that if they were Buddhists or into KTHK or whatever else.
     
  10. Vinaire

    Vinaire Sponsor

    Human nature is underlying all problems that you see.
    Auditing is supposed to handle human nature.
    That is where the failure is.
    Simple!
    The rest is just CONFUSION typical of "human nature".

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  11. Voltaire's Child

    Voltaire's Child Fool on the Hill

    Except that Ekatherine Ethier is not a Scn'ist and does not get auditing.

    And what excuse do KTHK adherents have for their lapses?

    And that's not a poke at KTHK (did I get the term right? Hope so.), either. There are no magic fixes. There are good practices out there (I personally am leaning toward Buddhism now) but in the end? We're imperfect and always will be.
     
  12. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    I know that Victoria used Pierre as a C/S and sent worksheets to Pierre.
    Scanning rather than faxing I believe. Whether your name was on these I don't know. Victoria's currently in India and I can't contact her.

    Diana on post 13 of this thread said:-

    "1- I don't know about other auditors but I never sent any copies of worksheets to Pierre when he C/S'd for me, so there is nothing from me at all.

    2- The auditors keep the files always, in my case none of my PC's files had the real name of the PC and case notes are written with no name just a number or a letter or other secret code, Pierre did not always know the names of my PCs."
     
  13. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    Indeed.
     
  14. SomeGuy

    SomeGuy Patron Meritorious

    How can his wife know about the C/Sing? I mean she sent an email with a pretty detailed threat.

    You see the inconsistencies in this damage control? I know I do :)
     
  15. AnonyMary

    AnonyMary Formerly Fooled - Finally Free

    :hysterical:

    You are too funny!!

    Are you one of those people with a fantastic memory for movie scenes? My son is like that. He memorized, mouthed and mimicked the whole of Pee Wee's Great Adventure when he was a toddler and later could act and recite the whole thing. He's like an encyclopedia of movie dialogue now.
     
    Last edited: Apr 13, 2011
  16. Vinaire

    Vinaire Sponsor


    Per the OP, it is auditing W/S data that is being used for blackmail. If no worksheets are required, such a mode of blackmail would not be possible.

    Scientology auditing requires worksheets to analyse pc's case (similar to psychoanalysis). Such an analysis is actually unnecessary from KHTK point of view. Greater relief can be gotten without such analysis.

    KHTK does not require any worksheets, or even imparting of sensitive data on part of a person. Besides KHTK is absolutely free and it can be done by a person himself or herself.


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  17. Lurker5

    Lurker5 Gold Meritorious Patron

    Whack job

    Whack job. Holy poop, the bats are flying high in that belfrey . . .


     
  18. Auditor's Toad

    Auditor's Toad Clear as Mud

    Nor does Voodoo require worksheets.

    Voodoo requires no sensitive data either.

    Voodoo can be done solo.

    Voodoo is free.

    Therefore Voodoo is as valid a choice as KHTK ( whatever THAT is ).


    ...and I already have a Voodoo doll...or two :coolwink:
     
  19. Vinaire

    Vinaire Sponsor

    Basically, spiritual help requiring worksheets containing sensitive personal information is illogical.

    That is the point I am making.

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  20. Voltaire's Child

    Voltaire's Child Fool on the Hill

    Well, I happen to agree with that point, Vinaire!! You're right.