Does she use the "S" word or is it safe to share with Mr/s B in our discussion group?
Blanky - maybe tell spouse that your friend has a cousin in the Mormon Church and they think it is a cult - they are asking a favor of you (and you are asking spouse) to listen to this video to see if you think it was information that may be effective in getting cousin to maybe wake up a little.
I have no problem saying I want to watch a video together with info about cults. With my christian cult background it's an easy sell. It's just if the video mentions scientology it's not one I want to share yet. We're not to that place and I don't want to undo the good work I'm doing by triggering the defense implant. So as long as it doesn't reference hubbard or scientology we're all good.
I began watching it last night and will let you know something after I have a chance to watch the rest. But so far, so mention of Scientology.
It does say this at the beginning of the video as well:
I have no problem saying I want to watch a video together with info about cults. With my christian cult background it's an easy sell. It's just if the video mentions scientology it's not one I want to share yet. We're not to that place and I don't want to undo the good work I'm doing by triggering the defense implant. So as long as it doesn't reference hubbard or scientology we're all good.
I finished watching the video tonight and there's no mention of ANY cults or cult leaders by name, with the exception of Jim Jones mentioned shortly after the halfway mark of the video.
At the 40:50 mark of the video Dr. Singer mentioned that most all cults make use of confessions of some type and some record all this information in folders. This instantly brought the CoS into my mind when she spoke of this, but again, didn't mention any names. She touched upon many things in this video which I may post on at another time, but heading off to sleep now.
"Her expert testimony was no longer accepted after the report of the APA taskforce on Deceptive and Indirect Methods of Persuasion and Control, of which she was chair, was rejected by the Board of Social and Ethical Responsibility for Psychology (BSERP) of the American Psychological Association. Thereafter, courts shifted to accepting the position held by the great majority of scholars studying new religious movements, moving away from the perspective of Singer and others sympathetic to her brainwashing thesis.[SUP][11][/SUP] This had significant consequences later on, since it meant that brainwashing could no longer be used a defence for the practice of deprogramming.[SUP][11][/SUP]" Cf. Margaret Singer Wikipedia
"Since the late 1980s, though a significant public belief in cult-brainwashing remains, the academic community-including scholars from psychology, sociology, and religious studies – have shared an almost unanimous consensus that the coercive persuasion/brainwashing thesis proposed by Margaret Singer and her colleagues in the 1980s is without scientific merit …. it has been difficult to locate any scholar in the English-speaking world who has been willing to attempt a defense of it, and even Singer herself has appeared to back away from her earlier position.’ (Melton, 2000)
This two brief quotes prove the excellent intelligence work of GO and OSA in infiltrating and influencing scholars who see the sociological aspect of the data they have access to and never care to investigate thoroughly and look into other aspects like legal paper trail, money flows, statements of ex members, etc. Scientology mind control methods are much better that the brain washing in Korea. It is not only done with punishment and sleep deprivation when required (RPF) but simply by slow indoctrination with your total agreement. It is then that you start believing that if some one stands against "the most ethical group in the planet" or if someone wants to quit, or if they consider them-selves a"victim" they have "withholds", "motivators", "hidden crimes", or are Sps being paid by big pharma and the evil psychs. Hubbard knew people left because of upsets, he told this to David Mayo and Bill Franks on the Apollo and said this data was confidential, he mention that it was necessary to keep people in, otherwise he wouldn't have a hold on the Sea Org. The whole Scientology bridge is a path towards total enslavement in which you give all your money, your life your energy and all your potential to a multi-billion money racket empire which was built for the benefit and power of a good story teller and totally failed US Navy Officer called L. Ron Hubbard. And the trick is so good and so powerful that you end up with that 300 feet stare and stupid smile in your face and feel you are lucky. Isn't it there any subtler form of mind control? By the way I forgot: there are no "apostates" in Scientology as there were no apostates behind the Iron Curtain. Scientology is not a fancy "new religious movement" for Travoltas and Cruises. It was a "modern science of mental health" that could not prove its claims and became a "religion" to avoid legal prosecution, taxes and to be able to abuse staff members without paying them a salary, social security, and retirement pensions.
I finished watching the video tonight and there's no mention of ANY cults or cult leaders by name, with the exception of Jim Jones mentioned shortly after the halfway mark of the video.
From the corporate Scientology operated web site, 'Scientology Myths':
"Scientologists find it very offensive when people call Scientology a cult. The word 'cult' is now the most hateful thing you can call a religion. It's used as a slur. It's used by bigots. Not just against Scientology, but against many new minority religions. These are the actions of 'hate'."
http://www.scientologymyths.info/cult-or-religion/
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'The Scientology Wars', part 1 and part 2, by Jolly West, from 1992:
[video=youtube;7PUfSlYvKLA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PUfSlYvKLA[/video]
[video=youtube;Z8scMW9H1F0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8scMW9H1F0[/video]
So! Did or did not Jolly West kill an elephant with LSD as the Church GO flacks said? I heard this years ago. Mimsey
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"Since the late 1980s, though a significant public belief in cult-brainwashing remains, the academic community-including scholars from psychology, sociology, and religious studies – have shared an almost unanimous consensus that the coercive persuasion/brainwashing thesis proposed by Margaret Singer and her colleagues in the 1980s is without scientific merit …. it has been difficult to locate any scholar in the English-speaking world who has been willing to attempt a defense of it, and even Singer herself has appeared to back away from her earlier position.’ (Melton, 2000)
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...the... work of GO and OSA in infiltrating and influencing scholars who see the sociological aspect of the data they have access to and never care to investigate thoroughly and look into other aspects like legal paper trail, money flows, statements from ex members, etc.
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Scientology mind control methods are much better that the brain washing in Korea. It is not only done with punishment and sleep deprivation when required (RPF) but simply by slow indoctrination with your total agreement.
It is then that you start believing that if some one stands against "the most ethical group in the planet" or if someone wants to quit, or if they consider them-selves a"victim" they have "withholds", "motivators", "hidden crimes", or are Sps being paid by big pharma and the evil psychs. Hubbard knew people left because of upsets, he told this to David Mayo and Bill Franks on the Apollo and said this data was confidential, he mention that it was necessary to keep people in, otherwise he wouldn't have a hold on the Sea Org. The whole Scientology bridge is a path towards total enslavement in which you give all your money, your life your energy and all your potential to a multi-billion money racket empire which was built for the benefit and power of a good story teller and totally failed US Navy Officer called L. Ron Hubbard. And the trick is so good and so powerful that you end up with that 300 feet stare and stupid smile in your face and feel you are lucky. Isn't it there any subtler form of mind control?
By the way I forgot: there are no "apostates" in Scientology as there were no apostates behind the Iron Curtain.
Scientology is not a fancy "new religious movement" for Travoltas and Cruises. It was a "modern science of mental health" that could not prove its claims and became a "religion" to avoid legal prosecution, taxes and to be able to abuse staff members without paying them a salary, social security, and retirement pensions.
Scientology is not a fancy "new religious movement" for Travoltas and Cruises. It was a "modern science of mental health" that could not prove its claims and became a "religion" to avoid legal prosecution, taxes and to be able to abuse staff members without paying them a salary, social security, and retirement pensions.
That should be on billboards all over the globe.