Martin, I look forward to your reply to Ralph, who seems to be
up to Marty at the expense of mocking you.
Ralph Hilton | April 12, 2011 at 2:45 am |
Marty,
Thanks for posting that.
I agree totally. It matches my observations and accumulated data over the years.
I felt that Mayo lied and his motives in doing so were to keep to the tech available outside the CofS but that is uproven and not really the main point and is an opinion. I met the guy and felt he was somewhat PTS. I also felt that he had his own agenda but then who doesn’t?
I have seen write ups of what the CofS is doing with NOTs and consider them an abyssmal tech degrade which violate basic principles of Scientology.
There are a couple of small points which seem of value from the write ups of later versions which I have seen. Obviously I won’t detail them here.
In my own auditing of self and others I have stayed with the 1978 versions as made available by those brave people.
I disagree with the statement “Robin Scott and some cohorts” as he was just a minor accomplice. The plan and its execution were put together by another far stronger individual. Robin received the strongest attack from the CofS as he was the most prominent after setting up a castle in Scotland as an AO. He doesn’t even consider himself a Scientologist any more.
In my not so humble opinion if you are auditing NOTs in the way written up in the original issues then you are doing the right thing for your PCs
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OTDT | April 12, 2011 at 9:07 am | Reply
Who’s the “stronger individual”?
Ralph Hilton | April 12, 2011 at 2:17 pm | Reply
Jon Atack and Ron Lawley appeared to me to be the major organizers of the event. Despite Jon’s later denigration of LRH and Scientology, at that time he was the strongest influence in the UK Independent Field. After a meeting with Gerry Armstrong Jon changed considerably, started attacking LRH and reverted to drugs.
It was Jon who insisted that the materials were not to remain exclusively in the hands of the AACs and ensured that they were distributed broadly.
martin ruston | April 14, 2011 at 3:53 am |
Ralph – Hi!!
You are wrong – Jon was not aware of the plot before the event. He was just as surprised as me when the packs ended up in EG.
I wasn’t aware that you were party to any of the events you talk about. Correct me if I am wrong.
I was close to Jon and he was a true influence. Jon took it on himself to collect as much information as he could and to communicate it. As such he interviewed many many people. However he wasn’t responsible for everything that went on.
I think we all agreed the materials should be broadly distributed as a safeguard to their permanent “release”. I don’t recollect any argument or persuasion regarding that.
Neither Ron Lawley, Morag Bellmain (or her partner Steve Bisbey) or Robin Scott were/are weak or feeble people and they were quite capable of hatching the plot all by themselves! David Mayo was not aware of it before the fact and as far as I know no one else was either.
Whatever people here think of Robin Scott I have always found him an honourable man. After all when the cof$ tried to bribe him to implicate me in the event and he refused the bribe. He was asked to say that I had couriered the NOTs packs to David Mayo. They offered him a reduced time in prison. I for one do respect Robin Scott regardless of the other matter he was involved in. I don’t necessarily condemn anyone for growing high grade cannabis for medical purposes or any other purpose. There is so much contrary information regarding cannabis that I won’t make up my mind about it yet.
Steve Bisbey DID take a set of packs to David Mayo but Steve told me personally that Mayo refused to accept them, he wouldn’t allow them onto the premises. Steve said he left the packs “with someone” else in California.
Harvey Haber had always insisted that no one was to do anything illegal – that it wasn’t worth it.
With regard to others here condemning Mayo for giving up the struggle and taking the money and running. Well Ralph you are the ONLY person I know of out of the hundred (if not thousands) who left in the 80′s who is still involved with scientology.
That is because the rest of us have all moved on – scientology stopped being a factor in our lives once we had decompressed. Maybe that happened to Mayo as well?
Just to straighten a bit of the “record”.
regards
Martin Ruston
Ralph Hilton | April 14, 2011 at 10:20 pm | Reply
I daresay Marty allowed that just for me to comment on
I must admit that I am a little proud to be one of those who did not “move on”.
Maybe you and Mayo decompressed and got splattered all over the universe.
I am not a mushroom! Don’t try to feed me bullshit.
Robin Scott made half a million out of his altruistic desire to provide medical grade Cannabis to needy souls.
As Nancy Many pointed out David didn’t accept then but Allen B. did.
Please post some more! I haven’t laughed so much in months.