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David Mayo - Non-Metered Auditing

Discussion in 'Scientology-related Videos' started by AnonKat, Mar 6, 2010.

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  1. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    But it was Scientology, and gradually Mayo came to understand that.

    "Once labelled these persons will not be covered by any amnesty and will never be admitted to further or processing." Hubbard, 1965:

    http://www.suppressiveperson.org/hate/pubs/hco-exec-ltr-1965-09-27amprinistics.html
     
  2. AnonKat

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  3. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    Mayo must have believed in the cancelation than lol. You admit that he first did not believe the Fair gaming he got was Scientology.
     
  4. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    Let's place this in perspective: At the time, Mayo was a Sea Org member, a cult member, on the ship 'Royal Scotman', later 'Royal Scotsman', later 'Apollo'; his 'Commodore' was L. Ron Hubbard, the savior of the Galaxy.

    After Mayo left Scientology he gradually self deprogrammed from the cult conditioning. It took years.
     
  5. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    It still doesn't put him in the same leage as Miscavige. Mayo believed like so many did. He was blind, loyal and naïve and he considered LRH a friend. David Miscavige smelled the blood in the water back in 1978 when LRH was near death.

    Mayo:

    "In late 1978, I was hurriedly and secretly whisked off to California and driven blindfolded in the night to a secret location in the desert at La Quinta, near Palm Springs. Hubbard's health had deteriorated. I was told that his blood pressure, breathing rate and heartbeat were low, a medical doctor who was also a Scientologist, Gene Denk, was in attendance, standing by to restart his heart with electric shock. I was told he had been like this for about a week, was getting worse and over the past day had been slipping into and out of a coma. When I first saw him he was lying on his back, unmoving, neither speaking nor responding when spoken to, with his eyes open staring at the ceiling and not moving. The doctor told me that there was nothing he could do for Hubbard and now it was up to me. I started with techniques that required no verbal response, then minimal verbal response doing short but frequent sessions, changing to techniques that required more participation on his part as his condition improved, which happened rapidly. Within a week he was getting out of bed, walking and beginning to yell again. Hubbard and others said that I had saved his life. Skeptics might say that it was not due to the techniques I used and was mere co-incidence but it would be difficult to convince me of that."

    http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/NOTs/origins/mayo-history.html
     
  6. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    You're right.

    IMO, Mayo was not in the same league as Miscavige. He was a much nicer person.

    In 1978, Miscavige was 18 years old. He hadn't yet become Hubbard's henchman, enforcer, and money collector.
     
  7. Zinjifar

    Zinjifar Silver Meritorious Sponsor

    Sigh. It's not about whether David Mayo was or is in the same league as David Miscavige. Jeffrey Dahmer was no Attila the Hun. Not that I think David Mayo is in the same league with Jeffrey Dahmer either.

    But, as likable as I find David Mayo; as much as I appreciate that he *has* extricated himself from the Cult, *he*, far more than David Miscavige was more instrumental in *constructing* the monstrosity of Scientology, for whatever reasons, than David Miscavige could dream of. Miscavige is merely guilty of inheriting a monster and making it even more bat-shit crazy than ever.

    By the lat '60s at the *latest* David Mayo should have been able to see where Scientology was going and extricated himself. He didn't and instead *supported* the organizations expansion and strengthening *despite* what should have been obvious sirens. He wasn't/isn't stupid and he *was* in a position to know.

    I'm just saying that just because Mayo became a victim of the rabid puppy he helped to raise to slavering adulthood before he abandoned it to the decrepit commodore and his weaselboy doesn't make him a hero.

    Zinj
     
  8. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    David Miscavige saw the vulnarable old man. He saw a chanche to take over. He placed himself as a selfapointed messenger between Hubbard and the rest of the world.

    Jesse Prince:

    http://home.earthlink.net/~snefru/deathoflrh/prince-death.html

    "For many years, LRH's top aide, Pat Broeker, and his wife, Annie Broeker, looked after the daily care of LRH. Pat was the financial conduit between LRH and the vast reserves of liquid cash mounting in the multiple corporations of Scientology which LRH always had at his disposal. David Miscavige would be called by Pat to bring hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars in cash in briefcases to cover "basic expenses" for LRH and his small crew of four staff. Often the prearranged meeting place was near Las Vegas. On many of these occasions, Pat and Dave would go to a casino and gamble away thousands of dollars of LRH's money, just hanging out having a good time together.

    But as LRH felt his grasp on the Scientology empire weakening, he became extremely suspicious of Dave and ordered me to give him a security check to see if Dave was trying to prevent LRH from having his way with the church as he was used to having. Basically, LRH was upset that he could not simply romp from one fake corporation to another, wreaking havoc in his wake, as he had always done. And he was being advised by attorneys whom Dave had hired that in order to protect his money, he should disappear for a while. All of these circumstances added up for LRH, and he was not at all sure he could trust DM. He was afraid DM was trying to take over. Sure, he had practically raised Dave from a pup, but still, who could be trusted in this business?

    So I was ordered to sec check DM to determine his real motives for passing along legal advice that he back off from his own church. When I walked into Dave"s office he was crying like a child who had taken a crap in his pants and now stank to high heaven. Dave swore up and down to me that he was only following LRH"s own orders to get an "All Clear" -- meaning to get LRH dismissed from all the outstanding litigation -- so that LRH could travel freely again, without fear of subpoenas or worse."
     
    Last edited: Mar 6, 2010
  9. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    I never said he was a hero. I am just pointing out he wasn't a monster either.

    Lol you are blaming him for doing his job well.
     
  10. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    And you forget David Miscavige never had good intentions Mayo however blinded he was did.

    To clarify I think any religion is crap.
     
  11. Zinjifar

    Zinjifar Silver Meritorious Sponsor

    I tend to think *everyone* has 'good intentions'. They just all define 'good' differently.

    Zinj
     
  12. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    I tend to think there are people that have none. And indeed "the road to hell is paved with good intensions."

    That said:

    Miscavige is a sadist and a malignant narcissist who has never created anything himself. He feeds of the acomplishments of others. He is a parasite
     
  13. Veda

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  14. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    That was not the Affidavit, But I grant you that is was past 1980 and past 1978. In my opinion little david as the Non OT camera man had it in him right from the start to do what he did.


    Narcissistic Personality Disorder

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Individuals with this Cluster B Personality Disorder have an excessive sense of how important they are. They demand and expect to be admired and praised by others and are limited in their capacity to appreciate others' perspectives.

    A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

    (1) has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

    (2) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

    (3) believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

    (4) requires excessive admiration

    (5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

    (6) is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

    (7) lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

    (8) is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her

    (9) shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes


    this is the affidavit:

    http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/jesse_prince_affidavit.html
     
  15. slimjim

    slimjim Patron with Honors

    Thank you for this Anonkat. I came into scientology in 1989. I believed the gawdawful stuff I was told about the guy. Just about when anonymous started, I saw a few of David's videos and I felt incredibly remorseful, and really wanted to find out what happened to him after and hoping he was doing ok.


    There were (and unfortunately still are) some incredibly lovely people in the cult, he is one of them. When I look and listen to David Mayo, I see no viciousness, no malice, no arrogance. Only remorse for the bad stuff and an over-riding expression of warmth, kindness and sensibility towards his fellow man. Really, there's a sense of dignity about the man.

    There are also those that only rebelled after they got hit with "ethics" and torture tech. And once they got out - they complained and their own participation in the torture activities is blanked out. These people are a different kettle of fish - and for those, I too have no respect or sympathy. I guess we all know who those are.

    After reading the full account of David Mayo, I can only feel compassion and a great sense of liking for the guy.

    I think prolly someone who was never in the cult to begin with, might feel differently about those that were in for a long time and didn't speak out or leave sooner. I think most of us that were in, will understand and feel a bit humbled and at least compassionate.

    David, where-ever you are - I wish the immediate downfall of CoS, so that you can finally breathe and be free. (Shouldn't be too long now! :D) In the meantime, I hope you are doing well regardless.

    slimjim
     
  16. Mark A. Baker

    Mark A. Baker Sponsor

    He was also widely regarded for his technical skills, especially as a C/S: a gentleman & a very capable scientologist. :thumbsup:


    Mark A. Baker
     
  17. slimjim

    slimjim Patron with Honors

    Hi Markus,

    Yes, I can see that now, I couldnt' when I was an "inny".
     
  18. byte301

    byte301 Crusader

    I know Mayo had his faults but I have a soft spot for him.

    I met him a couple of times and he had what scilons would call "ethics presence." (Yvonne did as well, imo) He also struck me as a gentle, kind man.

    I think he was a true believer back in the day and he did some things that he probably regrets today because of it.

    Anyway, warts and all, I wish him well and hope he's found some happiness in his life.
     
  19. Blue Spirit

    Blue Spirit Silver Meritorious Patron

    A New Viewpoint

    Thank you very much for posting this video Anonkat. It was new to me.
    I've always been stuck in the seriousness of it all regarding Scientology.

    IF I had attended that seminar instead of being SO stuck to the seriousness of
    the CO$, it would have done more than you could have imagined to give me the
    idea that I could really do it without worry.

    David takes the whole of auditing with simple drills here to give one the most
    basic simple idea of what it is about. Mistakes were OK here, but not usually in
    the CO$ where all was so serious.
    This is weird to say, but I always looked at engrams has serious and not too reachable. Now I realize how simple the whole thing was/is.

    David was a real Scientologist, rejecting the seriousness and just doing it on the most simple gradient.
    I did all of the seminars in Scientology and only one matched the effectiveness and non-seriousness of this one. That one was of course rejected for use by the Suppressive S.O. because it would have been effective in expanding Scientology. D.M., SP couldn't have that, could he.
    Also following extensive attempted tech correction by this same person, he was declared.

    In summation, and perhaps to fill in the requested "Cliff Notes" above, this seminar took all of the serious out of the training and co-audit game on an amazingly simple gradient. So it would have use for anyone who was/is into the seriousness of the Suppressive S.O. induced Sabotage of training where the Runway went all of the way toward oblivion as the intended destination.

    David Mayo really had this game down to its Simple and Effective Basics, where anyone could have done it. I wish someone had given me this talk back at my beginning.

    I missed a Big opportunity in not taking advantage of David's AAC when it was available. Boy, am I sadly stupid. A real secondary, Bigtime. :bigcry:
    I was on the wrong side of that fence with the CO$.

    More later about Mayo in my story, if I ever get to that chapter.
    He was/is a good man all along and I wish I'd seen it originally.
    It sure didn't add up when "The Story Of A Squirrel" came out.
    DM and Ray Mitoff are the SP's behind that. Damn them. :angry:
     
    Last edited: Apr 5, 2010
  20. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    I've always liked and respected David Mayo, and had the chance to speak - at length - with him on several occasions after he exited Scientology.

    However, this thread is becoming fuzzy and silly.

    When Mayo was a Scientologist, he was a high level Sea Org member, and was not a gentle saint. He was a Scientology cultist and did some things which he later regretted, as well as witnessed things, about which he did nothing, which he also later regretted.

    Some time after leaving Scientology, David Mayo ceased thinking of himself as a Scientologist, and ceased calling himself a Scientologist. (He also did not wish to be identified with the term "Freezone.") He had grown beyond Scientology. He had evolved, and the name Scientology was no longer applicable.

    Currently, there's an effort by some, notably Marty Rathbun, to revive the prior Scientology conditioning from which people have largely freed themselves, and to - somehow - push them back, trick them back or, in some fashion, re-sell them on the idea that they should identify themselves as Scientologists.

    This, being part of the ongoing effort to rehabilitate the name and reputation of Scientology and also - as a second phase - the name and reputation of L. Ron Hubbard.