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  1. Gib

    Gib Crusader

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  2. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    A perfect example of Hubbards use of the sublime from Tony O blog:

    http://tonyortega.org/2013/08/26/what-motivated-l-ron-hubbard-historian-jon-atack-follows-the-clues/

    Article 1, of the sublime style:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=r...=onepage&q=sublime and belles lettres&f=false
     
  3. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    duplicate
     
  4. Gib

    Gib Crusader

  5. Gib

    Gib Crusader

  6. Hatshepsut

    Hatshepsut Crusader

  7. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    Interesting tread by Caroline in 2011 over at OCMB on the connection by Hubbard, Campbell & Heinlein:

    http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=39380

    http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=39380&start=15

    Caroline points out per the COS own website how Hubbard researched stories to write at the NY Library. Don't forget up above Hubbard told Heinlein the books to read:

    http://writer.lronhubbard.org/page44.htm

    Dean William Allen Wilbur wrote several books on rhetoric, one was English Rhetoric for his GWU course which Hubbard took. Another is called Modes of Imagination in English Rhetoric.

    http://www.amazon.com/imagination-English-rhetoric-William-Wilbur/dp/B00086TZQQ
     
  8. Gib

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  9. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    In the 6 books hubbard mentions to Heinlein (post #79):

    Here's the second: ERRORS MADE BY ROBESPIEPE

    Here's what I find as cliff notes:

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/reviews/2012-07-01/robespierre-s-rules-radicals
     
  10. Gib

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  11. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    In the 6 books hubbard mentions to Heinlein (post #79):



    Here's the fourth: LAWS GOVERNING LEVEE EN MASSE

    Here's what I find:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lev%C3%A9e_en_masse

    (think Sea Org, para military group)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription

    (Hubbard used Rhetoric in lieu of enforcement)
     
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  12. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    In the 6 books hubbard mentions to Heinlein (post #79):



    Here's the fifth: HOME BOMB MANUFACTURE

    I don't have a clue.
     
  13. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    In the 6 books hubbard mentions to Heinlein (post #79):



    Here's the sixth: ASSINATION AS A POLITICAL TECHNIGUE

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_assassination

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

     
  14. Leland

    Leland Crusader

    In addition to Mike Rinder's points above...in the link....

    Cult members, finishing up a Course or Auditing procedure....also had to write a success story....because...it was on the "Routing Form." I guess, the end of the routing form....was sitting at the "reg's" desk....being asked to pay for your next step on the bridge.

    But my point is....on kinda gave up some self determinism....because "one had to write a success story..." as it was the thing "that was done.." and all those staff or SO.....HAD to get that routing form filled in correctly. As far as I can remember...the reg always looked at it. If the success story had not been attached to the routing form.....you weren't really finished.

    If you didn't want to write a success story....you'd have been sent to Ethics....or MAA....

    One went along to get along....so wanting to or not.....people wrote success stories.

    Interesting implications as to other points made on this thread too....
     
  15. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    The vary last line in 1950's Dianetics is:

    "For God's sake, get busy and build a better bridge"

    This is before scientology, only two years timeline wise.

    When I read Dianetics back in 1987 and I never heard of Scientology either, that statement "For God's sake, get busy and build a better bridge" meant nothing to me, I only wanted to achieve the state of "clear" (now I know clear is sublime = lofty idea), or one could listen to David Mayo Illusions lecture where he says one could become clearer, which also means no such thing as clear and also OT.

    (anybody can study a subject and become "clearer" , LOL)

    Interestingly hubbard says bridge. Maybe we could deduce "crowd" as Le Bon explained in his books I reference above, which hubbard read, maybe "bridge" means "crowd", or "For God's sake, get busy and build a better [STRIKE]bridge[/STRIKE] crowd". Don't forget Hubbard said at the end he failed.

    If one were to compare the scientology onion to the 6 six books hubbard mentioned to Heinlein, some interesting similarities occur.

    Next up a chart to compare.











    , "For God's sake, get busy and build a better bridge!"
     
  16. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    Great article by Jon Atack over at Tony O blog:

    http://tonyortega.org/2015/10/31/jo...o-make-scientology-sound-sciencey/#more-26433

    Jon Atack: The ‘Axioms’ — L. Ron Hubbard’s attempt to make Scientology sound ‘sciencey’

    The first book hubbard mentions to Heinlein is this one, as mentioned above in the tread:

    http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/448/pg448.txt

    For you deep thinkers that wish to connect dots timeline wise.

    Le Bon goes over 3 revolutions, namely scientific, political and religious.

    Hubbard cleverly combines all three thru time, to create a crowd and revolution (but actually called it We seek no revolution but evolution to higher states of existence (sublime rhetoric - lofty idea).

    The First is Dianetics the Modern SCIENCE of mental health, then scientology, the SCIENCE of certainty, then the religion angle (for tax purposes).

    Le Bon gave hubbard the road map, and hubbard also gave the roadmap to Heinlein. But Heinlein was too stubborn, he wanted real proof, b/4 he would join the "winning team". This is back in 1949 b/4 the release of DMSMH, and if you care to read the Heinlien letters between Hubbard & Heinlein and between Campbell & Heinlien.
     
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  17. Gib

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  18. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    In the Heinlein letters archive, the ones between Campbell & Heinlein, it's 124 pages, pdf doc saved to one's computer.

    In the file, a letter dated July 27, 1950 from Campbell to Heinlein. This is the time period just after when Dianetics hit the stands, and Hubbard is setting up Dianetics Foundations, in the letter Campbell mentions to Heinlein that Dr. Leo West is heading up Chicago, Dr. Price & Howard Hyatt is heading up Washington, and AE van Vogt Los Angeles.

    Campbell also mentions to Heinlein that Mrs. Carey Grant and Hayakawa have showed up in the Foundations.

    Here's Hayakawa and his review of Dianetics in the Summer of 1951:

    http://www.jstor.org/stable/42580983?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

    http://www.lisamcpherson.org/hayakawa.htm

    Hayakawa nails it to a tee. What a few years later we have Hubbard going on about OT in the PDC's. Add in the silly emeter with it's endless evaluations of reads, add in Hubbards ability to use Rhetoric and Sublime Rhetoric,

    a stupid religion is born to persuade, and that he did to me.

    PS: For those that don't know, Campbell became a trained Dianetics auditor auditing others and himself got audited, and was fully a believer until he finally told Heinlein he left Hubbards Dianetics. It's all explained in the letters which I can't post since they are copyrighted.
     
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  19. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    :thumbsup:
    Thank you!

    Jon & Tony :thumbsup:

    http://tonyortega.org/2016/01/08/jo...s-in-scientologys-bible-dianetics/#more-27791
     
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