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Do you believe in God?

Discussion in 'Human Potential, Self Discovery' started by Karakorum, May 29, 2019.

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  1. ThetanExterior

    ThetanExterior Gold Meritorious Patron

    Here's one way to find out:

     
  2. Voodoo

    Voodoo Free Your Mind And Your Ass Will Follow

    Well, I guess there's that whole duality thing - yin for a yang, and all that.
     
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  3. DagwoodGum

    DagwoodGum Squirreling Dervish

    When one tries to find God through any organized religion you'll only find sheeple and the parasites who prey upon them.
    Some of us remember being those sheeple while some remember being those parasites from our time in Scientology.
    Plus I was a Mormon for a few weeks as many of us tried other religions when we stepped out of Scn.
    The big three from the middle east and their myriads of spinoffs are biggest offenders as weapons grade religions, which Scientology has specialized in becoming.
    Belief in God(s) and the belief in the spiritual nature of self and others is entirely another matter.
    More importantly, does God believe in you and me?
     
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  4. PirateAndBum

    PirateAndBum Gold Meritorious Patron

    I believe in DOGs. The ones I've known have been quite fun.
     
  5. Bill

    Bill Gold Meritorious Patron

    Did you hear the one about the agnostic, dyslexic insomniac?

    ... He stayed awake all night wondering if there was a dog.
     
  6. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    The Muslims praise Almighty Allah.

    Scientologists praise the Almighty Dolla.
     
  7. vain_shields217

    vain_shields217 Patron with Honors

    I slowly reached the conclusion that it doesn't really matter whether one holds to the 'God is perfect' precepts of the most bible-led Christian OR fully subscribes to your number 2. representation; whichever you believe, or whichever mid-ground standpoint you pick between those 2, the fact seems to be the same that by Genesis 6, all creation was aware that things were not as they should have been and Jesus then pointed to that defragmenting of System software: 'earth', the flood, as having to happen again, after his ascension.

    I believe it's because your numinous One is Jesus' father (we did get created in His image (and that's why Jesus could be born resembling us)); which means that we are not at the mercy of the Demiurge even if there is one. It's that spark of Divine Light that means Scientology won't last forever, as it's a glass very darkly.....compared with something like Orthodox Christianity which just purely and simply saves its followers by humble Grace of standing in the mystical Antioch-ean tradition of the Acts.
     
  8. Me and My Self

    Me and My Self Self-born, Autogamous Unicorn

    I would vouch for this one. All the rest are anthropomorphic human, ego-driven, taught (thus culturally enforced) constructions. Moreover, I would say we (and all beings/things appearances) are a tiny fraction of that absolute and ultimate reality.
    I just name it "Life".
     
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  9. Helena Handbasket

    Helena Handbasket Gold Meritorious Patron

    Yes, I do believe in God, but I don't believe in the goodness of God. He is just a pain in the ass. Actually, there is more than one of these Gods but to me they are all false Gods who assigned themselves that title and are hanging around, looking for worship.

    God to me is not a benevolent ruler of the universe who goes about righting wrongs, taking care of His flock, and making sure everyone is treated fairly. Oh no. He doesn't give a **** about what us lowly humans are up to, as long as His needs are being served.


    There is one exception. The original creator of the universe, who set the whole thing in motion. He created a few beings, who created a few more, who created a few more, and so on; with some beings given specialized jobs that resulted in the complexity of our universe today. But the original creator isn't active any more; He has not hung around to manage His creation.

    Helena
     
  10. Dotey OT

    Dotey OT Cyclops Duck of the North - BEWARE

    I don't know, whenever I begin to contemplate God, god, godz, or whatever, I start to get small waves from deep within of cognitive dissonance that make what I experienced in stupidology seem like a short station break. I've worked it many different ways in a few churches and books, but still the same result. I was raised in a christian family, with all the trimmings. I looked back at it in later years without the earlier bias as a kid. Thought more as a Deist. Still, wtf?

    Maybe I'm just not bright enough to "get it ".
     
  11. pineapple

    pineapple Silver Meritorious Patron

    Gnosticism?
    [​IMG]
     
  12. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    And still there are those who think there's something abnormal about scientologits
     
  13. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    It would seem to me more likely that I should witness an an giving birth to an elephant than I hould find a mortal human who can give me the measure of (what I would call) That Which Is Greater Than Ourselves.

    I am a student of many different scriptures (not the least of them Mad magazine) but find a certain primacy in The Holy Bible. The teachings of The Nazarene for one thing but also I find the Prophecies of Daniel to be incomparable. Chapter Two is a stunningly accurate outline of western civilization from Daniel's time up to the sack of Rome in 476. Chapter Seven just as stunningly outlines western civilization from the Middle Ages through our modern day and the first half of Chapter Eleven prophesied the two Gulf Wars.
     
  14. Me and My Self

    Me and My Self Self-born, Autogamous Unicorn

    @Clay Pigeon
    That Which is Greater Than Ourselves, as the name itself aptly indicates, can't thus be interpreted as anthropomorphic (as it seems to be the case in most religions, including Christianity).
     
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  15. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    No intelligent person who believes in Godly things and is well apprised of the better aspects of Hubbard's Magnum Opus thinks you are an "SP" Hoaxie...


    All of us know you to be an exemplary though somewhat diffident OT.

    Of course as we all well know the signal fact of an OT is that they come out of CoS as "a round ball bearing which naturally rolls to where it can do the most good"

    You left and went to work for some sort of investment company. Shortly after your arrival the honcho was discovered to be embezzling. You spoke of this in the third person as if you had nothing to do with it but you can't fool me; your OT ethics presence precipitated ethics going in as surely as an Elvis Presley concert gives teenybopper chicks damp panties. Having completed the Danger Formula you took a look at what could be done for the investors. Successfully applying the Emergency Formula you got the company up into Normal Operation and, apparently thereafter up into Affluence

    So...

    Jump up and down and scream Denial until you get black in the face HH we know you are an OT and you will stand as living proof of the validity of Hubbard's philosophy even after you have shed this mortal coil
     
  16. lotus

    lotus stubborn rebel sheep!

    Jesus

    Hoaxy,
    You Lucky LRH loyal officier
    :D

    But don't expect to become wealthy as LRH ghost writer..you better start your own religion!
     
  17. Emma

    Emma Con te partirĂ² Administrator

    If there is a God or Gods, I don't think he/she/it/they would be impressed with any mainstream religion.

    Religion is comforting as it gives a person a way to make sense of life. Life is hard (just watch a Jordan Peterson video if you're not convinced) and religion makes it less hard because it offers reward for the suffering. All religions do this. It's their cornerstone. The rewards might be heaven, nirvana, val halla, paradise, OT etc. People want/need a reason to keep on going through their shitty lives.

    Hoverever, life is less shitty now. Most of us have ample food, shelter, medicine etc. so the need for religion is reducing.
     
  18. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    I would say the apparent need for religion is diminished...

    God bless America! Around here you still can't get elected to any office higher than dogcatcher if you openly profess atheism...
     
  19. CHRISTOPHER FAIRNINGTON

    CHRISTOPHER FAIRNINGTON Patron with Honors

    I love the quotes at the end of your posts Clay
     
  20. CHRISTOPHER FAIRNINGTON

    CHRISTOPHER FAIRNINGTON Patron with Honors

    oops, I should have said Me and Myself