Actually, @Gib, I have to put in a good word for Book and Bottle (aka Op Pro By Dup). It ran very light on me, but it caused major change in the guy who was my twin on the HQS course, a very introverted Japanese-American guy. It really seemed to bring him out of his shell, so to speak. He got angry, yelled, gave nonsensical answers, slammed the book and bottle down, etc. This was most unlike his usual very reserved behavior. I forget how it eventually EP'ed (he didn't go exterior), but he became much more outgoing and seemed much happier afterwards. The C/S wrote to me, "I think you've found your calling." This was my first big win as an auditor. So it may have been a waste for you, and it didn't do much for me (although I did go exterior, or what we called "exterior" then), but it did a lot for this guy, and I would guess for some other people. Does this qualify as a type of win? A win you had auditing someone else?