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ESMB and The Freezone - let's have it out!

Discussion in 'Freezone, Independents, and Other Flavors of Scien' started by Emma, Jun 22, 2008.

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  1. acertainratio

    acertainratio Patron with Honors

    I understand what you say about them being 'a loose band of independent knits'.

    For me, the Cof$ Scientologists behave like gangsters, and Freezoners behave like jehovah's Witnesses, but people have the right to choose for themselves - as long as they respect the rights of TROLLS.

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  3. Voltaire's Child

    Voltaire's Child Fool on the Hill

    Sure. Though you lost me with the respect the rights of trolls part at the end.

    But, yeah, I do think some FZers can be mighty hidebound at times.

    Sigh. There is no such thing as Utopia. If I were going to proselytize my view it would only be to say that maybe those who like Scn should be open to other things, too, and that it could do them a world of good. I personally truly believe that the other practices caveat/prohibition is mostly bs.
  4. Pixie

    Pixie Crusader

    For sure Axion, and anyone else that has perhaps taken my unintentional generality of 'we' a tad too seriously. I agree with what you are saying here too, about not holding onto things, and I do make a conscious effort not to, however sometimes when I read things on this board, especially from a freezone perspective, and when there is rudness in their as well, it's difficult for me not to see red and all the negative comes flooding back. I have said on a previous post that not ALL of my time inside the cult was bad, of course there were good times too, why else would I have stayed as long as I did, and I didn't even leave, I didn't want to leave, I got kicked out onto the street with no prior warning! I do not feel you are preaching Axiom and like everyone else on this board, you are entitled to your opinion especially when that opinion comes from a place of positive intention. :thumbsup:
  5. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    Hmm. I havn't done that. Wasn't aware anyone had. I do
    answer PMs addressed to me however.

    Does posting this brand me as someone with a covert agenda?

  6. Voltaire's Child

    Voltaire's Child Fool on the Hill

    I have not seen that post or thread. I'm sorry if anyone was unfair toward you (or toward a/one else) - truly.

    There are no utopias and that's why we have human mistakes, personality conflicts, it's why sometimes people say things they really shouldn't say.
  7. Zinjifar

    Zinjifar Silver Meritorious Sponsor

    Covert??? :)

  8. Pixie

    Pixie Crusader

    Well I'm glad you've taken responsibility for that Fluff, indeed perhaps many did not read that whole thread in detail considering some of the feeback I am getting here, however I will reiterrate, I will not be spoken to like shit from someone I hardley know.

    Sure, and I say it a lot, none of us are perfect, in fact you and I have had similar conversations before, but it's the intentions behind some people's desicions that don't quite sit right with me and everyone's viewpoint is and should be allowed but with possibly a more compassionate intention.
  9. Mark A. Baker

    Mark A. Baker Sponsor

    As do I and quite a large number of freezoners with whom I am personally acquainted.

    Mark A. Baker
  10. Div6

    Div6 Crusader

    Yes, that is the NAME but if you care to review the entire history of the board, you will see that the FZ and its topics have been here since day one. Are you suggesting all those posts and references should be deleted? Should Emma pst a disclaimer that says "Some Ex'es have chosen to persue Scn practices in other arenas, and their discussion is allowed on this board?"

    I'm sorry, but I find such pin-headedness a little too much to take from some "Johnny Come Lately". Again, you are free to sdet up your own sandbox to play in...
  11. Pixie

    Pixie Crusader

    No, he should not, this is ridiculous in the extreme, but as I have said before, there does appear to be rules for some and rules for others. Moderators should not be prejudiced either way, however it doesn't appear to be this way for 'Thor'. If someone is to be 'banned' they ought to at the very least have three or four prior warnings and not just be chucked out in the blink of an eye, or at the extremity of a pigs' trotter for that matter.
  12. Voltaire's Child

    Voltaire's Child Fool on the Hill

    Well, it wasn't exactly a question of taking responsibility- I can't take responsibility for something someone else said or did. Although I guess I could learn from it, make a point to know about it and that sort of thing.

    If something happens, back channel isn't a bad idea but since that's not always the way all the parties involved may want to go, then I'd suggest going in on that thread and saying to the person that this and this that was said to you wasn't cool, that you were offended, and why. Being called OSA, as you mentioned happened, is a pretty bad slur. I've seen it done a lot, but when the person's not OSA, then it's not right or just.

    I know what it's like to be slammed or slurred or spoken against on forums. It sucks but with some people (not everybody but some) one can talk it out and maybe get them to apologize. By this I don't mean it's some ego exercise, like, oh I gotta have an apology, but more that this other person would need to know about what they did that was wrong and why.

    It's just like this thing- years ago, friends of ours said something about my not telling their kids the truth- (and, no, I don't proselytize and never did so that couldn't have been it) but they never ever told me or told John (to whom they'd complained) what it was that I'd said that wasn't ok. To this day, I don't know. Not a good way of expressing that something was wrong.
  13. acertainratio

    acertainratio Patron with Honors

    I think that you have done this board a great favour by raising valid points and sticking to your guns. Scientology does have a lot to answer for, and that in includes the Cof$, the FZ, and all Hubbard inspired and derived 'tech'.

    People who have been hurt, lied to, and defrauded have a right to complain loudly.

    I think that quite a few FZ'ers would never have left the Cof$ if they hadn't been booted out.

    Hubbard was a madman.

    The Bridge is a nonsense.

    It goes nowhere.

    They - the Cof$ and FZ should stop making promises that are false and can't be kept.

    It's fucked up in a way that's gone too far.

    Actually, it's pretty criminal.
  14. Voltaire's Child

    Voltaire's Child Fool on the Hill

    Great minds think alike! Ok, I was prolly unfair at implying that it's like that (the hidebound thing) everywhere in the FZ. I have seen people get kind of --well vehement- about the idea of doing other stuff but yeah, it's not everybody.
  15. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    I'm one of the fish. On OCMB, a rather comfy forum for some, I've been photoshopped with my face on a dog turd,
    with my pants being wet, and so on multiple times expanded in fact.

    So glad I can help humanity in this small way with such
    therapy. :)

    Here I'm trying to keep up on this thread and its growing faster than I can read. What to do? Keep on reading.
  16. Mark A. Baker

    Mark A. Baker Sponsor

  17. Smitty

    Smitty Silver Meritorious Patron

    reply to Div6

    Yes, the freezone forum should be terminated. It should not have been allowed in the first place. It was given a chance.
    I am not sorry and find your scientology condenscension unacceptable here on the Ex-Scientologist Message Board. Take your scientology brainwash propaganda back to your anti-free speech freezone email lists. We don't need or want that here.
  18. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    As soon as I've read this thread I shall start a new one where others can take pot shots at me.

    You've expressed something I've often felt. I get targeted as there are no COS members to be targeted.

    Used to being a target. :)
  19. Smitty

    Smitty Silver Meritorious Patron

    comment to acertainratio

    And most would go back if Davey Miscavige would be removed and "the tech" reverted back to 1982. Almost all would go back if Davey was removed and "the tech" reverted back to 1978.
    All statements true.
  20. Div6

    Div6 Crusader

    Take your butt-hurt to Emma. Its her board.

    And also, who is "we"?

    You shouldn't try to hide behind a generality.

    I'm sorry that you seem to believe this is your personal board.
    But we got along just dandy when you weren't here.
    And so we will in the future.
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