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For the Rathbun "Believers"

Discussion in 'MartyWorld' started by Mick Wenlock, Oct 4, 2009.

  1. Voltaire's Child

    Voltaire's Child Fool on the Hill

    Yes, it's very bad for the forum and for lurking Scn'ists and for those of us trying to figure things out when someone's hatred keeps getting in the way. Yes, indeed. totally.
  2. Marty is looking for suckers to string alone, I'm sure he doesn't care where they come from, but he's found that blaming everything on Miscavige while sheltering Hubbard has made he an instant hero to freezoners ... to everyone else he's just another con man looking for an angle.
  3. Axiom142

    Axiom142 Gold Meritorious Patron

    Whatever Marty Rathbun has done in the past, he is in a position to bring about a major change in Scientology. I have no doubt that he and Mike Rinder are the people that Miscavige fears the most.

    Alanzo’s post is either a very good thing – or a very bad thing. I’m not sure which. :unsure:

    I used to disagree with most of the opinions that Alanzo articulated. But there is a convergence of views here.

    Now this could either be because I have had a calming influence on him and brought about a more enlightened and thoughtful approach. In other words, he has become more like me! Obviously this would be a good thing.

    Or, I have become more like Alanzo. Which would be a bad thing. :ohmy:

    But how can I tell which one it is?

  4. degraded being

    degraded being Sponsor

    Don't forget facial expression: wistful.
  5. FinallyFree

    FinallyFree Gold Meritorious Patron

    How do you, personally, know this?
  6. Marty Rathbun is good position to shakedown Miscavige for money to silence him, that is pretty much all I can see Marty doing. Marty is in it for Marty and no one else, he will sell out at the drop of a hat if the price is right. Quite honestly I can't blame him, I just feel bad for the suckers he is stringing alone with false hopes of him actually doing the right thing.
  7. degraded being

    degraded being Sponsor

    "That this can happen is a string to pull re the failures of the scn justice system."

    Your post seems to be a penis to pull - or already is being pulled.
  8. degraded being

    degraded being Sponsor

    What do you think is up Terril?
  9. Zinjifar

    Zinjifar Silver Meritorious Sponsor

    Compared to the crimes of Scientology and Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder and David Miscavige, slapping a few subordinates around is cheating at solitaire.

  10. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    He's keeping me at a distance.
  11. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    Zinj, I believe using reverse processing (Black scientology) in the way that was done at the Int Base, as Marty described in his St Pete Times video, would be considered by scientologists still in, to be a High Crime of magnitude. I am out for 20 years and was horrified by what he described.
    Definitely more serious than cheating at solitaire.
  12. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    You a complete pessimist?

    Not a lawyer, but think things are escalating. :) ,
  13. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on

    Facts are sometimes stranger than fiction.

    What follows is true: In the mid 1980s I attended a celeb event and sat at the next table to DM and his entourage. After the event I was approached by DM and a couple of his guys who heard that I had written movies. At that time Gold was really searching for outside professional talent to come in on contract. DM DID "send out a recruit mission" and he was on it!

    I politely said something non-committal about how "if there is something I can do I would be happy to try to help you..."

    DM shot back instantly in his famous defiant shotgun style: "NO! WE CAN HELP YOU!!"

    It was the only time I ever spoke to him directly. It was such a curious moment that always stayed with me. How he was compulsively "at cause" even when he was asking for my professional services. It made no sense but probably was a well practiced pattern of introverting people to control them.

    I never did figure out how my writing for DM/Gold would result in THEM helping I never followed thru on his kind offer of help.

    Is it me? Or was his response kind of.........wacky? LOL
    Last edited: Oct 5, 2009
  14. An honest question, would you have believed everything a declared SP said as indisputable fact 20 years ago while you were still in?
  15. Zinjifar

    Zinjifar Silver Meritorious Sponsor

    According to L. Ron Hubbard, I am a criminal; felonies or better, and, that's in *wog* terms :)

    I really don't give a flying fuck about 'Scientology Crimes'. As far as I'm concerned any of these bozos can invalidate, squirrel, tech degrade or miss whithholds all they want.

    What I care about is wog crimes like murder, extortion, fraud, subversion, deliberate 'ruining utterly' as prescribed by Ron or such things. I'm especially worried about the kinds of corruption of the 'wog' legal system and government as Marty would be well familiar with.

    No; I don't care about Scientology Crimes.

  16. Mick Wenlock

    Mick Wenlock Admin Emeritus (retired)

    and how do you know this? That they were his cowed little henchmen? That they played bitch to his butch for so many years? That both of them have run around confessing and grovelling at every turn?

    Miscavige knows far more about them than they know about him - they told him all about it.
  17. Mick Wenlock

    Mick Wenlock Admin Emeritus (retired)

    redemption? No, not really. I am neither a scientologist or a christian. I dont give a rat's ass about it.

    I particularly dont think skunks achieve redemption from being skunks. it is what they are.

    I dont think cowards and grovellers suddenly grow a pair merely because they got kicked out and now praise themselves.

    You can join in with him if you wish - good luck. Maybe he will achieve redemption by doing to you and your ilk what he already did to so many scientologists.
  18. Tim Skog

    Tim Skog Silver Meritorious Patron

    "Wacky" is an understatement. I'm glad that you never followed through. :thumbsup:
  19. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    It's you. :omg:

    (just kidding) :D

    Fortunately I've never had the pleasure to meet DM but his response to you seems typical from many stories about him I've read. It almost seems that with that type of response from him that he's got this attitude "I'm such a huge OT being - how could you possibly believe that your meagre offer of what you call "help" would really have much effect.?" or something like that. His response seems to be a recipe composed of equal parts introvert, invalidation, and just being an all-around general a-hole.
  20. You could have left everything out except "all-around general a-hole" and it would have pretty much covered it.