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From Dianetics to Scientology: The creation of Xenu.

Discussion in 'General Scientology Discussion' started by TaarnKasra, May 26, 2015.

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  1. TaarnKasra

    TaarnKasra New Member

    Does anyone know the timing of the creation/inclusion of Xenu?

    I am under the assumption that since the material is deemed dangerous and released at a later level, that it was thus created at a later date and included once he had a firm base established with Dianetics and getting to Clear.

    On this basis, I am inclined to believe that he presented Xenu to the Sea Org members during the time at sea, when he was writing, though I have not been able to find any clear or definitive information on this. I'm guessing the famed audio track is the unveiling of Xenu to the Sea Org and even if it is, I would like to discuss this further with anyone who has any knowledge on this period.


  2. Leland

    Leland Crusader

    If my recollection is correct.....Xemu or Xenu was introduced to the Cult of Hubbard in 1967. was done while on the Apollo........

    Also around the same time the Sea Organization was formed.....1967.

    The purpose of the Sea Org was to protect this upper level OT material......

    And the Tape is called RJ-67. (Ron's Journal....) Ron talks about the "Wall of Fire"....which is the nick name for OT III....but doesn't mention Xemu in that tape....

    I suppose that tape is the introduction to a new addition to the Bridge....OT III.....which pretty much since has dominated the "upper bridge"

    LRH had many attempts at going "OT" and altering, changing, adding to and removing techniques from the "Bridge"

    Here is a small sample:


    08 techniques... (since removed from the line up )

    8-80 techniques...(since removed from the line up)

    8-8008 techniques...(since removed from the line up)

    Expanded Dianetics.....( since removed from the line up....)

    The Grades....

    Expanded Grades...(added to the line up)

    Service Fac handling....(added to the Grades...)

    Original OT 5, 6 and 7.....(since removed from the line up...)

    Added....New OT 5 6 and 7.

    I don't know if the current OT the original OT 4 or not....


    Marvel Comics introduced the Character 1962 and later changed it to Xemu in 1975.....according to Wikipedia.....
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  3. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    Somewhere on line you can look up the original OT4 - I never did it ( I did ot3 and ot7 ep back in the 70's) but I am pretty certain it was replaced with the new ot4 drug rd, which I did nots style, rather than ot3 style. Mimsey
  4. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    I don't know how dangerous he really thought it was if he released it in the screen play "revolt in the stars". It was likely some mystery sandwich / PR / selling point he dreamed up to pull in the coin of the realm. Mimsey

  5. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    ESMB has the story. It was during the Sea Project days, pre-Sea Org.

    (Note: where Dart wrote 1050s, he meant 1950s.)


    Here's a link to the actual post:
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  6. phenomanon

    phenomanon Canyon

    The current OT4 is an OT111 style Drug Rundown.
    I delivered lots of them.
  7. Leland

    Leland Crusader

    Yes. Interesting. :) Where did you Audit Phenom...AOLA?

    But since "back in the day" one did OT III then OT 7.....then OT III "expanded"......I was under the impression that the next level ...OT 4....was not the same as it is today.

    I suppose I could look at some materials on the WEB....and find out...:p
  8. Leland

    Leland Crusader

    There is a "confidential" LRH Tape that is on the Class 8 Auditor's course.....

    In that tape LRH does mention Xenu and Xemu......

    Parts of that tape are available on the WEB.....but don't know if the entire tape is available....

    Solly, no have linky....

  9. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

  10. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    Your impression is correct. The current OT4, The OT Drug Rundown, is NEW OT4. The original OT4 was a helluvalot different.
  11. Rmack

    Rmack Van Allen Belt Sunbather

    I recall some testimony that Hubbard had did some of the 'research' aboard the small yacht 'Enchanter', later named 'Diana'.

    Nice names, huh? I did a stint on the 'Diana' when it was owned by a rich OZ Scientologist named Harry Mason.

    What a nightmare!

    Never get into a room you can't leave with crazy people.
  12. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on



    It was just as "dangerous" as his 1938 book "EXCALIBUR", which Dr. Hubbard claimed (whilst hyperbolically hawking the book in the hope of make a publishing deal) would lead otherwise strong-minded men to go insane or kill themselves.

    Hubbard openly calls this sort of carnival hawker gimmick (to draw a crowd by making outrageous claims) a "good publishing trick" (see below):

    His "good publishing trick" for Excalibur failed and nobody wanted the book. Hubbard stewed in the rejection for the next decade until he (again) claimed to have a book (DMSMH) that unlocked and absolutely solved the eternal problems of physical and mental illness. He had already claimed that his earlier manuscript (Excalibur) was so earth shattering that its mere reading would cause the death of men; now, he needed a newer and even more outrageous marketing hook, and he found it by calling Dianetics "...a milestone for man comparable to his discovery of fire and superior to his invention of the wheel and the arch."

    Now to your point--whether Hubbard believed his own blatantly fraudulent lies--whether OT III would cause readers to promptly go insane ("freewheel") and die--can be answered rather simply. No. Otherwise, why would he have released the Xenu story in a screenplay he hawked all over Hollywood called "REVOLT IN THE STARS". The answer is not flattering for the Operating Thetan known as L. Ron Hubbard. He would do or say anything to achieve fame & fortune.

    In case anyone needs more proof, he did the same about face with Excalibur. (see excerpt below from Wiki):

    On a positive note, there is something that can be said in favorite of Dr. Hubbard. He was an undeniable "upstat" because his original claims that "4 out of 15" people went insane reading Excalibur, by the time the of his death in 1986 nearly 100% of the people forced to read Hubbard's words over an extended period of time (aka "Scientologists") also "went insane", including Hubbard himself.
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