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Gibney, Haggis, Wright Live Event Today 6:30 ET

Discussion in 'Movies, Plays, and Documentaries about Scientology' started by ILove2Lurk, Mar 2, 2015.

  1. ILove2Lurk

    ILove2Lurk Lisbeth Salander

    . . .
    You can sign up for a free live webcast of this event at the link below.

    If you can't watch it live, you can use link the NYTimes emails you to watch it later on

    Alex Gibney, Paul Haggis, Lawrence Wright

    View attachment 9571
    A TimesTalks Conversation

    Monday, March 2, 2015

    6:30 – 8 PM ET
  2. Free Being Me

    Free Being Me Crusader


    Thank you! :)
  3. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Terrific! :clap: :clap: :clap:

    Thanks for posting it!
  4. ILove2Lurk

    ILove2Lurk Lisbeth Salander

  5. ILove2Lurk

    ILove2Lurk Lisbeth Salander


    Link for live stream above . . . Rinder on the stage too!

    Can move to time bar back to 0.00 and watch from beginning, I believe.

    Or watch a replay later.

  6. ILove2Lurk

    ILove2Lurk Lisbeth Salander

  7. ILove2Lurk

    ILove2Lurk Lisbeth Salander

    . . .
    "How dare you compare a great man like
    David Miscavige to Martin Luther King."

    SO executives tell Paul Haggis
    while meeting in his boardroom

  8. ILove2Lurk

    ILove2Lurk Lisbeth Salander

  9. Elronius of Marcabia

    Elronius of Marcabia Silver Meritorious Patron

  10. AnonyMary

    AnonyMary Formerly Fooled - Finally Free

    This was excellent! Lots of information. Thanks for alerting us to this. :thumbsup:

    Was very happy to hear that the movie has a limited run in NY and Los Angeles starting on March 13, before the HBO show on the 29th ( I believe he said ).
  11. Chess

    Chess Patron with Honors

    Oh my. I just have to respond to this!!!
    I don't know what to say actually. I digested the words and then the understanding machinery in my head went sort of... well... whacky. Did those people actually say that!? David miscavige is thought of as superior to MLK?? Even inside the"$cientology bubble of absolutes"????
    After a gleeful chuckle or two I settled down to now an even lower (if that's possible) opinion of the world inside the Ideal $cientology. I'd normally say something like God help them - but they don't need any help from God, they already have their own.
    Geezer's it's enough to give valium a reason to commit suicide.
  12. ILove2Lurk

    ILove2Lurk Lisbeth Salander

    Last edited: Mar 3, 2015
  13. JBWriter

    JBWriter Happy Sapien

    Also, it appears that NY Times Talks uploads videos to their YouTube channel 1 week (+ / -) after live stream events.
    Here's the link to their channel:

  14. Sindy

    Sindy Crusader

    Thank you for posting this...listening now. I love Paul Haggis.
  15. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    :clap: :clap: :clap:

    Watching now - Paul Haggis is so charming, such a great sense of humour and way of talking. Mike Rinder is doing JUST FINE, too. Love it!

    This should be on top - everyone should watch this. :)
  16. lotus

    lotus stubborn rebel sheep!

    Thank you for the links!

    Great interview!
    A lot of enlightening take on many things, including how and why people get into this mindfuck - RInder explains it very well.

    Unfortunately, as it's always the case, I run a deception when the taboo name is named... Lisa Mac Pherson - question adressed to Mike Rinder

    1:09min to 1:12

    '' Mac PHerson is a subject of great controversy... '':unsure:
    Horrendous mistake to take her there..stupidity in the extreme...'' :unsure:

    Mike appears to me like doing figure skating with words like stupidity, should not have happened, should not have been allowed on the $cientology premises...mistake...

    When will she deserved that her story will be told by the truth ????
    (The blatant truth being the Introspection rundown abuses, deny of human rights, false emprisonement, drugs, isolation till a person lose it...)

    Can someone esssplain me please, why him and Marty never tell the truth and take opportunity to talk about these middle age harmfull treatments of people having mental breeakdowns ??? Why???? Me don't understand! They never talk about introspection rundown, children abuse and RPF :duh:

    It appears that SHE is the faulty one , as being in a place she shall have not been, and people who put her there were faulty :duh:
    How about the lunatic malignant narcissist who ordered such treatment in his policies ???? It appears like a ''fault'' of the corporate Cherch allowing a mentally ill on it's premises :duh: instead of the peole collapsing on the premises while undergoing inhumane procedures and mental torture and medical neglect! Not the same!

    Why talking about the aunt (suit case pseudo-motives) instead of what happend with Lisa, The isolation, the legal case, the hidding of proofs, the manipulation????

    Anyway, apart for being angry at that,
    I find this interview very well done, helpfull, credible, professional
    and thank you to the participants! :yes:
    Last edited: Mar 3, 2015
  17. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    Mike answered the second question ------------> NO

    But, unfortunately, in the first question, Mike didn't state the PR flap of Lisa being declared "clear" by the tech which will denote the tech no work.

    But it's hard to think on the spot, if one was to put hisself on the spot, ( I wish Mike & Paul would have thought of that) ( would I have thought of it, probably not either)

    we can critically mis analyze after the fact of what somebody said, and try to read between the lines.

    And I still wish folks would state what the ultimate goal of the so called religion of scientology is, which is to attain the state of clear & then OT, which none exist. And even Hubbard said he failed.

    I wish the media would latch onto that as well.

    But I understand the book is what it is, and the HBO film is what it is. Which is all good. :thumbsup:
  18. PTSPal

    PTSPal Patron with Honors

    My Gawd- I just wanted to strangle Rinder. After all this time. He still can't admit it. He is still a very sick man.
  19. PTSPal

    PTSPal Patron with Honors

    "If Al Quaeda had Lawyers they'd really be dangerous" -Lawrence Wright:clap:
  20. Leland

    Leland Crusader

    Perhaps because there is a law in the States called Negligent Homicide? I too would like more truth.

    I don't see how, places like Narconon....that have deaths, are not subject to this. They just hire former patients to run the mad house....and don't care what happens.

    Doctor supervised my ass.....