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Featured How many people went type III (ie. had a Psychotic Break) in your org?

Discussion in 'Evaluating and Criticising Scientology' started by renegade, Jan 1, 2015.

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  1. lotus

    lotus stubborn rebel sheep!

    If stories like this one don't make it obvious and evident that $cientology tech is a terminator technology to drive people in mental and emotional distress me, it's evident we are facing a cognitive dissonance of unprecendented order of magnitude :confused2:

    It's so much insane, inhumane, sadist, evil, sociopathic.... :unsure:

    When '' nobodies lower rank'' cult followers do things like that to order to save the planet from insanity...
    they are really mindfucked...:unsure:
    Last edited: Mar 7, 2015
  2. Lurker5

    Lurker5 Gold Meritorious Patron

    Everyone should go to Mike Rinder's Something Can Be Done About It - and read Andy Porter's story of finally reaching his limit, and getting out. Most enlightening tale, of how scno/co$ fucks with the mind, and drives people to psychotic break/psychosis, on this lrh bridge to absolutely nothing and nowhere.

    This is WHY. :scnsucks:
  3. lotus

    lotus stubborn rebel sheep!


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  6. Lurker5

    Lurker5 Gold Meritorious Patron

    :bump2: again . . . .
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    You don't really need to keep bumping it, unless your intention is to keep it in Today's Posts. The thread is already stickied and remains at the top of the Evaluating/criticising Scientology sub-forum.
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  9. lotus

    lotus stubborn rebel sheep!

    Time for a bump! :wink2:
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    AnonLover Patron Meritorious

    Time for another bump!
  11. clamicide

    clamicide Gold Meritorious Patron

    Re: How many people went type III in your org?

    Actually, the folks I spoke with who knew Lisa when she first got in described her as anything but fragile. They were completely staggered by what happened later after they lost touch.

    Type III? OMG--so many folks at our org went there. Fuck, wound up there myself when I first 'got out'--pretty much how I was ALLOWED to get out (as in omfg--get her away so this doesn't flap!). I can enumerate later when I'm not running out the door--but, yep, it happened way too often.
  12. Knows

    Knows Gold Meritorious Patron

    A guy from the SEA ORG told me when I first got in that he HEARD "Lisa was a DB - a psych case and was a mess"

    This is the "whispering campaign" we all get from Scientology when it does not work or goes really bad.

    Scientology lies to members about other members to get the focus off of the Organization and the blame put on others.

    KSW - standardly applied.:happydance:
  13. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Something about TROLLS on ESMB makes me want to work on our list: :biggrin:

    Scientologists who had Psychotic Breaks with surnames starting with "S" through "W": (Continued from post #938, Page 94):

    [SIZE=+2]Robert Thorburn[/SIZE]
    Posting by Neal Hamel
    Los Angeles Times of 29 September '95
    A Los Angeles man, in Las Vegas to attend the Soldier of Fortune convention, was killed with one of his own guns during a confrontation with two men, police said.
    According to friends, Robert was married to Charlene and both were involved in Scientology, Charlene was involved very deeply. Charlene was a nurse in a chiropractic business.

    There was a memorial service held for Robert at the Church of Scientology.

    Anyone have any other details?

    Jimmy Jean Shumway and
    Alexis Shumway

    Murdered their Mother/Grandmother, Suzine Van Sickle
    The Seattle Times of 23 August '91

    79-year old Suzine Van Sickle's daughter and granddaughter were convicted of poisoning and smothering their 79-year old mother/grandmother. A King County jury found Jimmie Jean Shumway, 59, the daughter, and Alexis Shumway, 29, guilty of premeditated first-degree murder in the bizarre killing last November that they kept secret for three months.
    Last edited: Dec 3, 2015
  14. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Scientologists who had Psychotic Breaks with surnames starting with "S" through "W": (Continued):

    Gene Trout or Traudt - Suicide in about 1980. Was an OT7.

    Koos Nolst Trenite - In 1974, when Koos went to work for GO, he was “a normal, fun loving guy”. By 1979 he was dangerously unstable, showing symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia which persisted and which went untreated. On 25 December 1999 his daughter, then 19 years old, died in their home near Forchheim, Germany. Autopsy showed she had drowned. The father had the habit of torturing (or “treating”?) his wife with hot and cold jets of water. It was perhaps his version of the Purification Rundown. An infant daughter died in 1983 ten days after birth of an untreated respiratory infection. As far as is known Koos is still alive and still posting his very bizarre ideas, which identify Hubbard, not without reason, as the Devil.

    Leah Theriery
    - a Scientologist, attempted suicide sometime in May 1974.

    Robin Clive Tweddell - Scientologist in New Zealand who committed suicide in 1989. Father of Aaron Saxton.
    From public search on NZ National Archives:
    "Coroners inquest files
    COR/89/1030 Robin Clive Tweddell 1989"

    Robert Thorburn
    - died after being shot in the head in Las Vegas by James Duchesneau (30) and Frederick Weber (23) who had both been shot in the leg by Thorbum with the same gun.

    David Voorhees of Washington State - went crazy in 1982 or 1983 in Los Angeles trying to audit the BTs and clusters. He was held captive in a room somewhere in Los Angeles for weeks and injected with Thorazine to calm him. David was told by his captors that he was getting Vitamin B injections. HEW 219.

    Eric Vigeland - was in Scientology in Boston in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Eric had previously been in psychiatric care. Eric inherited some money, gave it all to the fund to help Mary Sue in the USGO/FBI lawsuit, and was then given a bunch of auditing as a “reward.” He was apparently not a very stable person, and even by Scientology standards, should not have been accepted for service..

    Frank Vitkovic - of Queen Street, Melbourne, Australia. In 1987 Frank Vitkovic opened fire in a business building in Melbourne, Australia, killing eight people and wounding five others before he plunged to his death trying to escape. Two months prior to the attacks he had taken a personality test offered by the Church of Scientology, which was said to mean he was extremely depressed; it was the second-worst test result the Scientology volunteer had ever seen. It was argued at the inquest that the organization had not taken the appropriate measures indicated by their information, which could have prevented the massacre, and that the test possibly contributed to Vitkovic’s mental state at the time of the shootings.

    Patrice Vic - The father of two young children, Patrice died in March 1988 in Lyon, France, when he jumped to his death from the 12th storey window of his children’s bedroom. He had spent all his money on courses with the CoS, and then borrowed 30.000 FFr (about $5000) to be able to take the Purification Rundown. The French court ruled that the local branch had driven Vic to suicide, and found its leader Jean-Jacques Mazier guilty of involuntary manslaughter. Fourteen other scientologists were convicted on related charges. He went to his death believing his debit card had been stolen by prostitutes, when in fact it had been stolen by the criminals running the Lyons Org.

    Bruce Welsch - a crew member on the Apollo, had a psychotic break during the early 1970s. He was locked up in a port aft cabin by Stuart Moreau and Ron Anderson, two ship crew members. HEW 204.

    Gregory Bradford Wisner - He was 27 when his body was found in the surf near Indian Rocks Beach, FL, on 20 January 2001. Judged an accident. Gregory was a cocaine addict born into a Scientology family. His father was a spokesperson for Narconon. Gregory attended Narconon in December 1997. He was raised in various Scientology families but all had disconnected from him.

    Jim Whyte - died train-hopping while drunk.

    Linda Walicki - “I just butchered my family.” Linda Walicki, an untreated schizophrenic aged 25, killed her father Michael (52), a “Sponsor for Total Freedom”, and her sister Kathryn (15) and seriously wounded her mother Sue (52), at Revesby, Sydney, Australia on 7 July 2007. The cause of the attack was later determined to be a psychotic episode brought on by replacing her prescribed anti-depressants and anti-psychotic medication with the Scientology method of treating psychosis by isolation and vitamins (see McPherson, Perkins). Linda was diagnosed with mental illness at Bankstown Hospital in late 2006 but treatment was discontinued because her parents were Scientologists. At that time a magistrate refused to sign an order to continue her treatment. Three weeks before the killings her parents were apparently worried enough to reintroduce her to the prescription medication but it was evidently too late. Linda was declared not guilty by reasons of insanity. Vicki Dunstan, for the CoS, at first denied the family were Scientologists. Virginia Steward, a local Scientology spokesmen, also denied any knowledge of the family, then claimed the tragedy was all the fault of psychiatrists who had interfered and caused damage. Then she blamed Linda’s breakdown on earlier intervention by psychiatrists. “Church of Scientology denies stabbed man ‘a recruiter'” (Fiona Connolly, Daily Telegraph,, 10 July 2007). But it did not take local journalists long to find that a man with the same name as the dead father is listed on the Church of Scientology’s “Honour Roll” in the 2002 Impact magazine which glorifies members worldwide for their efforts in “signing more than 20 members to the church” or for donating $US20,000 ($23,200) or more. The “church” typically tries to disconnect from any potential source of embarrassment such as suicides, murders, and even the death of its members from natural causes. It never offers counselling, shows any respect for the dead or responsibility for what has happened, or helps bereaved families in any way.


    Please provide any additional names or information you have to this thread.

    So we never forget the damage of Scientology, or the people whose minds and lives were wrecked or ended because of it.

    (More tomorrow)
    Last edited: Dec 3, 2015
  15. Glenda

    Glenda Crusader

    Thanks for the work on this Sheila.

    We've got a typo in Rob Twedell - correct spelling is TWEDDELL.

    Rob was Aaron Saxton's father.

    From public search on NZ National Archives:

    "Coroners inquest files

    COR/89/1030 Robin Clive Tweddell 1989"
  16. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Thanks, Glenda! Just in time for me to edit it, too. :)
  17. MrNobody

    MrNobody Who needs merits?

    While you're at it, you might want to fix this typo too: His name is Koos Nolst Trenite, IIRC. :coolwink:
  18. I had some idea of what goes on behind the closed doors of scientology cover ups (Lisa McPherson) but this is beyond anything I imagined. :omg::angry::ohmy:
  19. exbritscino

    exbritscino Patron with Honors

    While on Mission staff I went type 3 and became a suicide case.

    Another guy who was at the same Mission, later joined the Sea Org and went type 3. Again, an attempted suicide case.

    A public member went type 3, ended up being on nanny watch by HCO for a few days, then finally was admitted to a nearby specialist mental health hospital. Amazingly enough the Mission managed to get him out for one evening to attend an event so they could increase their 'bodies in the shop' stat!

    Another young lady at the Mission also went type 3, again an attempted suicide/self harmer.

    Since I left the nut job cult in '97, there have probably been quite a few more incidents like these.

    Don't forget, this was in a MISSION, over a 4 year period.......
  20. Glenda

    Glenda Crusader

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