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Hubbard - OT VIII

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  1. The Sloth

    The Sloth Patron with Honors

    Most are familiar with the version of "ot VIII" that was denounced by the CoS, but recently validated on Tony O's blog.

    Recently, another Vatican priest was busted in the Catholic Church sexual abuse scandal:

    Is this perception or just a weird co-incidence?

    In any event, it is yet another example of an organized religion imploding in the present.
  2. Leland

    Leland Crusader

    I was on the Saint Hill Special Briefing Course for 3 1/2 years.

    On that course....among many other something called "The Wall of Tapes." ( a joke on "the wall of fire" [ot 3], I presume)

    Anyway, there are 447 lectures.....all over one hour each....

    On one of these lectures LRH does claim to have been "Lucifer" or the "Devil" perhaps...I can't remember exactly. Then he ties to make a joke about having said it....and laughs it off. (one can hear uncomfortable laughs from the audience...)

    Theses 447 lectures were recorded between 1961 and 1966.......At Saint Hill , in England.......many many years before OT 8.......

    Also on the BC tapes....LRH claims that Jesus, as we know of him historically.....was an implant....and there had been "many Jesus on the whole track" and that it was a "game played so many times.....that the playing cards were getting thin."


    LRH wrote and had published "Hymn of Asia" around 1955? In it he claims to be THE Buddha....reincarnated. And that he foretold of this happening when he had been Buddha. (though I have never tried to verify this in any Buddhist writings.) far as this original OT 8.......Released in 1988........all I am trying to say is that LRH had been cooking it up for many decades.....a long time.

    On another is interesting that HubTub....jokes about Jesus...and that it is an old old game.....

    and then on the other this original OT 8 information.....he VALIDATES the Bible....and says it is true.....and that he was Lucifer....and will come back and be the Anti-Christ.....and Bla Bla Bla......

    TYPICAL Scientology HubTub mind fuck.....twist one way....then twist the other way....

    Of course as HubTub validates the Bible....and that he "will come back as the Anti-Christ".....then is that not also "an implant" .....if it is a game that has been played so many times before?
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  3. programmer_guy

    programmer_guy True Ex-Scientologist

  4. Hatshepsut

    Hatshepsut Crusader

    I have put some thought into this OT VIII thing. I reviewed about six videos from those graduating off it on the Freewinds. I thought they were 'underwhelmed'. Either that or they were paid actors. :whistling:

    From the processes given in the two internet copies of the level, I think it is all about being buttered all over the universe. It's funny though that auditing encourages you to 'connect' with old disassociated identities and their scattered masses. Then it encourages you do dis-identify and disconnect from those significances and masses as they are only your old creations. (Identities or beingnesses you are mocking up?) Its about recouping the lifeforce that is truly YOU. :unsure:

    A History of Man is used on the OT courses. It suggests that in the timestream there are heirarchies of postulates to be and this culminates in further divisions downstream. So as long as one is interiorized with a timetrack he cannot back out without hitting his previous connections.:confused2:
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  5. Wants2Talk

    Wants2Talk Silver Meritorious Patron

    Being a Scientology certainly damned me. I lost my relationship with any higher power, my career, my inheritance and my children. Ron peddles Eden's apple. IMHO - just saying. I am so glad to be out.
  6. Mystic

    Mystic Crusader

    I really like OT VIII. It is so fked up helps to guarantee folks realizing the Hubbard thing was full of wet, runny obama.
  7. BunnySkull

    BunnySkull Silver Meritorious Patron

    If you know anything about Ron's early history the original OTVIII makes perfect sense. Ron subscribed to the black magik BS of Crowley and his band of merry occultists.

    Ron created a "religion" which was to make everyone their own personal god. Ron didn't want to be some turn the cheek pacifist like Jesus Christ. From his affirmations we know Ron badly wanted to be an all powerful, totally dominating, controlling, sexual beast - and the closest thing in mythology we have to such a creature is the anti-christ, the devil, satan, etc... All the dark forces wrapped up into one entity.

    In fact, the big reveal of OTVIII was completely predictable and typical of such a cliched, hack sci-fi writer as Ron. If it was a movie or book people would decry such a formulaic ending. But, sadly, this wasn't just bad fiction instead it was a very bad cult.

    It's a bit surprising that so many people were so shocked and bewildered when they did the original OTVIII, but I guess it goes to show that many people joined Scientology for very different reasons than why Ron created Scientology. One of the posters on Marty's blog that confirmed the authenticity of the original OTVIII wasn't taken aback or terribly disturbed by the level, he seemed to take in stride and it wasn't an earth shattering revelation to him at all. However, there was a very different reaction from others, so many so that the level was quickly yanked and revamped. It would explain why the upper OT levels are such a let down for so many, Ron's big dramatic ending was squashed.

    One surprising thing however was that apparently the level even shook up DM. According to Marty - though he did not read the level himself - DM confided in him that it was "too much" and he gives the impression that DM was bewildered by it. Given what we know about DM and his history you would think he'd be thrilled to discover he was serving the anti-christ and his mission of total world domination. Guess DM's early catholic upbringing stuck with him a little deeper than he cares to admit, maybe enough to put the literal fear of god in him for a bit lol.
  8. Operating DB

    Operating DB Truman Show Dropout

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  9. programmer_guy

    programmer_guy True Ex-Scientologist

    And, so, the EP of OT VIII is...?
  10. Mystic

    Mystic Crusader

    A mess of wasted time, energy, money and reality.
  11. Lermanet_com

    Lermanet_com Gold Meritorious Patron

    FROM OT8 REVEALED (included document history)

    "He (Ron DeWolf) drove non-stop cross country, popping bennies (benzidrene) a brand of amphetamine popular back then to stay awake, bennies were also known in the 60's as 'black beauties'. He drove nonstop cross crountry between wichita kansas and Pheonix Arizona was a two lane blacktop affair... no superhighways back then... The trip would have taken days...1168.02 miles at 30 mph...or 40 mph or 38 hours driving time

    So picture this, L Ron Hubbard Jr Ron DeWolfe ... wild eyed and up for 2 DAYS driving whacked on speed....

    Arrives in Pheonix.. His dad immediately starts 'auditing him' and digs up, between him and Mary Sue, all those incidents which became the core of "HISTORY OF MAN"....

    So History of Man is based almost entirely upon the delusional withdrawal symptoms of benzidrene which is chemically Amphetamine Sulfate related to METHEDRENE which produces psychotic episodes of paranoia during withdrawel. "

    the auditing that became History of man was conducted under the influence of amphetamines

    "Sworn testimony by Ron DeWolfe from 82 Hearings HERE) Ron Dewolfe: Then, I arrived in Phoenix, Arizona in early '52. He had just arrived from Wichita with Mary Sue. And the very first day -- the very first day I arrived, he wanted me audited immediately. But I had been -driven all night and I was eighteen years old. I knew nothing about Scientology. All I had read was Dianetics*: The Modern Science of Mental Health, and it never really interested me very much as a book when I was young. So, after about a couple of weeks there, we got involved -- he asked me to sit down on the couch, and I was high on Benzedrine, Bennies. And we started doing, quote, "research" on a book called History of Man. So, we spent a couple, three days on that. Here's the book here, The Scientology History of Man; here's a copy of it. And all the incidents -- he did a few with Mary Sue, but the majority of incidents in it were off the top of my head, as I had upwards of twenty, thirty milligrams of Bennies in me.

    [ Bennies = Speed = amphetamines ] "

    And this from my old friend Warrior on FB, who used to work across the hall from me in 1972:

    "Benzedrine often helps a case run."
    - L. Ron Hubbard, "The Intensive Processing Procedure," 1950 LINK

    More like this HERE OT8 REVEALED:

    The proof History of man is a wad of Drug induced DELUSION is the CLAM incident

    "Now the clincher... is the "CLAM" incident...

    All that talk about making your 'jaws' ache if you 'restimulate' the 'clam incident'..


    One side effect of any of the amphetamine family, especially with prolonged use to stay awake, is that one will begin to clench ones teeth... so much and for so long that for days after coming off of 'speed' one's jaws will hurt like heck, and yeah your 'jaws' will hurt because they are tired from being 'clenched' for days...(note)

    Hubbard was and is a complete fraud. "

    Arnie Lerma

    PS: I ate a few dexedrines in the 60's, and your jaws do ache for a week after being up for a couple of days on speed...which is why I feel it is absolutely appropriate to call believers in $cientology "CLAMS" 'cause when they ask "Why do you call scientologists clams" you get to explain the above...
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  12. programmer_guy

    programmer_guy True Ex-Scientologist

    Well, yes, but according to Scientology (like in the infamous grade chart). :)
  13. Mystic

    Mystic Crusader

    Well, yes, but there is no validity in anything scientology. After 10 years away from that so-called 'church' but still hanging in there auditing, auditing, auditing (lots of NOTS), I had the final cognition: This is either an absurd futility or a futile absurdity and it doesn't make any difference which.

    I terminated auditing at that point, forever.
  14. programmer_guy

    programmer_guy True Ex-Scientologist

    EP of OT VIII according to the old grade chart

    I don't believe that he got this crazy idea from nowhere (but it is insanity).
  15. HelluvaHoax!

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    I don't know what wet, runny obama has to do with anything, but I am certain that Ron predicted it on OT VIII!

  16. Helena Handbasket

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  17. Helena Handbasket

    Helena Handbasket Gold Meritorious Patron

    From HCO B 5 MAY 1980:

    I suppose that's what was supposed to happen. It (call it Mystery Babylon if you like) didn't.

    Instead, all the original OT VIII students got was a rather unusual assertion of who's good and who's bad.

  18. Hatshepsut

    Hatshepsut Crusader

  19. programmer_guy

    programmer_guy True Ex-Scientologist

    Is this going to be about an iffy this iffy that freezoner/indie conformation bias stuff?

    (Looks like it to me.)
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  20. programmer_guy

    programmer_guy True Ex-Scientologist

    I disagree for that being the basis of the EP of OT VIII.
    Does that HCOB mention the grade chart EP of OT VIII? No.

    SCN apologists can be VERY clever about both denying and affirming this EP.
    (Iffy this and Iffy that.)
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