Esc and Zinj, with respect you are
both missing the point.
I'm
not filling anything in into the blanks! Maybe Alex want's people to, but by filling them in with possible answers, you are playing that game if that is the one he is playing.
I am simply asking Alex to explain the contradictory "facts". From his last answer he seems to be saying he is making them up. Ok. That's fine. The "facts" about him being on course, being in a low ethics standing, doing a correspondence course, being ineligable for services due to reverse processing of NOTs on ARS, these are all likely to be invented.
Ok, that's fantastic.
Now we know that anything Alex says about "himself" is likely to be invented and untrue. That's the string pulled. Alex has identified himself as an unreliable source for any info or opinions that he originates. Fine. Absolutely fine.
And there you go.
Since my desire is to "play" in the realm of ideas, rather than hash out whats what in the realm of "facts", it suits me fine.
I would be quite happy be taken up only on concepts rather than having to prove things. How reliable are concepts anyway?
Thanks Asagai.
Yes, as you are creative/inventive/lying about "facts" about yourself, then you are also an unreliable source as regards opinions, concepts or ideas that "Alex" originates.
Fine, absolutely fine, you are saying you will invent whatever you wish without any link to anything real as regards yourself or scientology.
Unreliable source is unreliable source! Now we know, thanks.
Thank you Asagai. This exchange has been informative.
L. Ron Hubbard, on "inventing facts," from an April 1955 'HCOB':
"A datum is an invention which has become agreed upon and solidified... When it is thoroughly agreed upon it becomes, then, a truth.
"The word 'lie' is simply 'an invention with a bad connotation'... Thus society frowns upon the invention of facts."
Another notable quote, this from the cocaine-inspired loose-lipped 'PDC' lectures,
"It's a trap not being able to prevaricate."
And then there's the old reliable,
'TR-L', the Training Routine for Lying.
And, of course, there's the first half of the Fair Game Law,
"Trick and lie to."
These things are as much a part of subject as the "auditing comm cycle," "ARC," and discharging tension by finding "earlier similars" (wording is Korzybski's), and these ingredients, along with others, combine - per the founder's design - to making Scientology.
In Scientology, lying is only supposed to flow downward, with Hubbard and the hierarchy free to lie to Scientologists, but Scientologists expected to obey, and to open their minds completely to inspection by the organization.
It shouldn't be surprising that a 'Good Scientologist' is willing to lie to those he sees as below him: the "DBs," "SPs," and the "Wogs."
It's quite a system: an 'applied philosophy' that make liars out of good people, who - themselves - have been lied to.
The first step to unraveling this mess is to describe it.
ESMB is a place where that can happen.
Thank you ESMB.