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Discussion in 'General Scientology Discussion' started by HelluvaHoax!, Jul 17, 2013.

  1. kate8024

    kate8024 -deleted-

    I read those posts about her leaving though especially at the time I had no opinion of it as the subject of Scientology was still fairly new to me. At this point I think its always a smart move for someone that involved in the Church of Scientology to either leave or do what needs to be done to get the power needed to actually fix things. From what I read about her, Debbie Cook is more of a tech purist than I am as a big reason for her leaving seemed to be alteration of the tech but as I personally think 80% of the tech needs to be gotten rid of entirely and 90% of the remaining 20% is total crap I still do not have a strong emotion regarding this issue.
    Sure this event reminded me of this board and I was curious what people were saying about it and in the process I found some interesting posts and that turned into posting regularly since then.

    I'm sure there was a lot going on but I had not thought about this board in that time, I was largely spending my time on other things and studying other religions. You can find information about some of this research here:

    I have no direct interest in those issues, however I did comment about Ethercat's new Narcanon site here:!!&p=824694&viewfull=1#post824694

    I mentioned two other books about Scientology from an outside perspective here:

    and mentioned them again here along with Robert Kaufman's book:

    it has been pruned from the ChatBox log since then but I mentioned a couple days ago that my copy of Going Clear had just arrived in the mail and that I was excited to read it.

    You mean the time that I wasn't posting here? You expect me to go back though all the old posts and comment on them?

    What do you get when you mix my replies in with that?

    As I mentioned earlier in this thread, these sort of accusations do nothing but derail threads and I wish it would stop.
    Last edited: Jul 23, 2013
  2. Purple Rain

    Purple Rain Crusader

    Re: Use of the Independent Scn'ist moniker

    And also if one claims to disagree with 90% of the tech then one would expect that person's posts to reflect that level of disagreement, which they don't. People here are not stupid and they don't like being lied to. I always try and judge a post on its own merits and leave personality or affiliation out of it. I have nearly died (figuratively) defending people here considered to be Indies - to the extent that I have been accused of being a "Ron lover" myself.

    I distrust and dislike the evasiveness and the fact that what is claimed is not what I observe. I'm really over that kind of cognitive dissonance, and trying to explain how it can fit and make sense. From now on I'm just calling it like I'm seeing it and if I'm wrong then I'm calling it wrong and as I have said I am quite willing to be convinced. If she behaves consistently with her stated position then I will believe her.

    The reason I defended karen#1 on this board is that no matter her personal beliefs or relationship to Hubbard she NEVER came here and tried to sell it to a group that had been hurt by it to the point that they mostly rejected it. I respected her so much for that - and still do - for having that sensitivity and knowing her audience - that they were upset by Scientology for a very good reason.
  3. kate8024

    kate8024 -deleted-

    Re: Use of the Independent Scn'ist moniker

    I agree, unfortunately there is not a good label that I have found :-/ I'm open to suggestions there.

    The majority of my criticism of things actually comes from the things the church itself has said rather than other people or exposes. In many way it seems to me that the church is its own worst enemy.

    I have noticed ;-)

    That is reasonable.
  4. JBWriter

    JBWriter Happy Sapien

    A: I get additional information that supports the conclusion drawn earlier.

    Thanks for taking the time to respond exactly as you have,

  5. kate8024

    kate8024 -deleted-

    Re: Use of the Independent Scn'ist moniker

    I am not aware of any post where I am promoting the tech - there are some where I am critical of certain parts of the tech or where I compare parts to practices is various other religions, and there are posts where I defend the rights of those who _do_ believe in the tech to keep believing in it if it is working for them but that is only secondary to an overall defense of anyone of any religion.

    I don't understand how you can imply that you would agree with my right to be a total tech-loving indie but then when I say something that supports that group you accuse me of being an OSA spy or a shill. You support someone who believes everything LRH wrote but you don't support someone who believes that overall LRH was wrong but that there is some value in there if one wants to go through the trouble of extracting it? Is it because I don't fit into the square hole or the round hole so I must be a rouge peg?
  6. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on

    Hey! The thread is just an idea, we're all intruding, lol.

    Wouldn't it be a fascinating book if one of the chief OSA internet handlers or trolls blew and told all about their entirely bizarre ritualistic incantations on "enemy" sites that are supposed to fix the reason they are collapsing? LOL.

    I have written a bit about this before, but wouldn't it be a freakin' blast if someone copied the troll hat pack (like the purloined OT III and NOTs packs) and we could actually READ their "Successful Actions".

    I once wrote down a couple of what were (obviously) considered to be Successful Actions and suggested a better strategy to them using the "buttons" that create the most discord on ESMB. I don't feel like giving them any more tips today. LOL

    I liked your provocative post. Thanks!

  7. kate8024

    kate8024 -deleted-

    How does talking about the book you said I didn't mention support your conclusion?
    How does me spending months working on a wiki page about unrelated religious practice support this conclusion?
  8. DoneDeal

    DoneDeal Patron Meritorious

    I once thought I knew it all. And then I joined the church and knew more. As that knowing grew I found that fewer people agreed with me. Till I was just snickering with a couple people about how smart we were. I know less now and things are getting better.

    Now I'm trying to figure out why I even need to say that out loud. Scn isn't something that should be encouraged, I definitely agree with that Purple. I guess that's the reason for saying stuff out loud.

    I have no idea what I'm talking about.
  9. JBWriter

    JBWriter Happy Sapien

    A: Please see my last post.

    Whatever additional information you care to add need not be addressed to me - thanks!

  10. Purple Rain

    Purple Rain Crusader

    Re: Use of the Independent Scn'ist moniker

    Well I am going out now to pack my stuff for America but when I get back tonight YES I WILL waste hours of my life pointing out EVERY glowing thing you have said about the tech and Hubbard and even Miscavige. As Hoaxie said, at least I will get a laugh while I do it.

    Edit: I have not DENIED that you make criticisms AS WELL and have even pointed out how you go about it. Negative statement followed by the positive. It really irks me that you assume everyone is too stupid to see it. Hoaxie roared with laughter the second he noticed. We're not stupid people either - probably LESS stupid because we're not going on about how people should read Self Analysis and Scientology orgs should be designated as places of worship.

    Edit to the edit: And I will also post some documents I have found from when I was leaving Scientology which are chock full of theta!
  11. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    We could just cut to the chase and call him "The Beast" in 666.

    Here's a little quote from L. Ron Hubbard, Jr (aka Nibs):

  12. kate8024

    kate8024 -deleted-

    LOL indeed. I did mention in another thread that he had a lot in common with Aleister Crowley so this would be rather fitting ;-)
  13. Purple Rain

    Purple Rain Crusader

    Yes, it's so important to humanise Ron. We have all been making a terrible mistake by deifying him as we do with terms like Hubbard, or Hubtard, or Fatty.

    Edit: I once thought that it was important to let people know that Hubbard locked little deaf mute children in chain lockers and perpetrated many other human rights abuses, but now I realise that we should just humanise LRH in case people might start to think that Ron is some kind of a god.
  14. Anonycat

    Anonycat Crusader

  15. DoneDeal

    DoneDeal Patron Meritorious

    I once thought calling him little h is a good thing. Oh, that thought happened yesterday. Cool, gettin my clock back.

    lol. could even try out some font things...little h
  16. Purple Rain

    Purple Rain Crusader

    Is that any way to talk about a Big Being?!
  17. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on

    Re: Use of the Independent Scn'ist moniker

    I musta not been very clear. I roared with laughter because it was hilarious. I will have to dig out those couple posts she made and see what was so funny. I should probably see if I can dig up those posts she made, they were really edgy-funny-cool. That's why I wondered how (after that) there were so many posts that didn't seem to show a trace of humor---and that's why I took a 2 second tinfoil break and wondered if it was the same person. I ain't accusin' ! LOL

    Sorry if i wasn't clear about the fact that i genuinely laughed on those couple posts.

    Hmm, let me go digging...
  18. DoneDeal

    DoneDeal Patron Meritorious

    Re: Use of the Independent Scn'ist moniker

    Did you tell that to the examiner?
  19. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on


    Okay, here's an example of one of Kate's hilarious posts. . .

    And some other fun, clever, witty stuff. . .

  20. Gadfly

    Gadfly Crusader

    I haven't really been keeping up, but so far, I LIKE Kate!

    She has a different viewpoint, and it is okay with me.

    She pisses on Scientology enough for me to remain content. :confused2:

    Could she be other than she appears to be . . . . . ? :unsure:

    But, for now, I will accept what I see.