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Is man even a spiritual being?

Discussion in 'General Scientology Discussion' started by Feral, Jul 24, 2011.

  1. Gottabrain

    Gottabrain Guest

    I had this thought today -

    I am more than a spirit, more than a self-determined being, more than a thetan.

    I am a person, a human - and grateful for the amazing circumstances that brought about the opportunity of life so I can do what makes me and others happy. :)

    It was a good thought and sort of cleared my mind for the day. :biggrin:
  2. Gadfly

    Gadfly Crusader

    Sometimes all the talk and thinking doesn't quite answer the question. I have always liked how these guys expressed the notion. The music here is the perfect vehicle to express the ideas contained in the song.


    The Story in Your Eyes - Moody Blues

    I've been thinking about our fortune,
    And I've decided that we're really not to blame.
    For the love that's deep inside us now,
    Is still the same.

    And the sound we make together,
    Is the music to the story in your eyes.
    It's been shining down upon me now,
    I realize.

    Listen to the tide slowly turning,
    Wash all our heartaches away.
    We are part of the fire that is burning,
    And from the ashes we can build another day.

    But I'm frightened for your children,
    And the life that we are living is in vain.
    And the sunshine we've been waiting for,
    Will turn to rain.

    When the final line is over,
    And it's certain that the curtain's gonna fall.
    I can hide inside your sweet sweet love,
    For ever more.

  3. Gadfly

    Gadfly Crusader

    Here's another, though it focuses more on the "endless change" that is manifested reality than upon the underlying basis of that change.

    Dust in the Wind - Kansas

    I close my eyes, only for a moment, and the moment's gone
    All my dreams, pass before my eyes, a curiosity

    Dust in the wind, all they are is dust in the wind.

    Same old song, just a drop of water in an endless sea
    All we do, crumbles to the ground, though we refuse to see

    Dust in the wind, all we are is dust in the wind

    [Now] Don't hang on, nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky
    It slips away, and all your money won't another minute buy.

    Dust in the wind, all we are is dust in the wind
    Dust in the wind, everything is dust in the wind.

  4. DagwoodGum

    DagwoodGum Squirreling Dervish

    My wife and I had a nice chat with Justin and his wife in line going through customs in St, Maerten April 10, 2010. That is the song that comes to mind when I remember talking with the guy, he really has some magical eyes that tell quite a tale even before he opens his mouth.
    Getting back to the thread, I'm not sure that all human body's are hosts to human souls but I'm certain that many are. In fact I would say that I'm certain that a significant percentage of humans are no more than GE's at the helm operating like trained parrot's. This is what makes human interaction so confusing. Then this bs about bt's that came later, what a waste of souls....
  5. programmer_guy

    programmer_guy True Ex-Scientologist

  6. Mark A. Baker

    Mark A. Baker Sponsor

    :clap: I've always loved this song. Thanks, G.

    Mark A. Baker
  7. looker

    looker Patron Meritorious

    I started to think about Hubbard's mention of the Bridey Murphy past life story. It was pointed to by Hubbard as being proof of the time track, spirituality and the infallible File Clerk written about in Dianetics. Was it true? So I Gurgled it. This is what Wikipedia had:

    Hypnotic regression

    Main article: Past life regression
    In 1952, Colorado businessman and amateur hypnotist Morey Bernstein put housewife Virginia Tighe of Pueblo, Colorado, in a trance that sparked off startling revelations about Tighe's alleged past life as a 19th century Irishwoman and her rebirth in the United States 59 years later. Bernstein used a technique called hypnotic regression, during which the subject is gradually taken back to childhood. He then attempted to take Virginia one step further, before birth, and suddenly was astonished to find he was listening to Bridey Murphy.
    Her tale began in 1806, when Bridey was eight years old and living in a house in Cork. She was the daughter of Duncan Murphy, a barrister, and his wife Kathleen. At the age of 17 she married lawyer Sean Brian McCarthy and moved to Belfast. Bridey told of a fall that caused her death and of watching her own funeral, describing her tombstone and the state of being in life after death. It was, she recalled, a feeling of neither pain nor happiness. Somehow, she was reborn in America, although Bridey was not clear how this event happened. Virginia Tighe herself was born in the Midwest in 1924, had never been to Ireland, and did not speak with even the slightest hint of an Irish accent.
    [edit]Book publication and response

    The "facts" related by Bridey were not fully checked before the publication of Bernstein's book The Search for Bridey Murphy. However, once the book had become a bestseller, almost every detail was thoroughly checked by reporters who were sent to Ireland to track down the background of the elusive woman. It was then that the first doubts about her "reincarnation" began to appear. Bridey said she was born on December 20, 1798, in Cork and that she had died in 1864. There was no record of either event.[1] Neither was there any record of a wooden house called The Meadows in which she said she lived, just of a place of that name at the brink of Cork. Indeed, most houses in Ireland were made of brick or stone. She pronounced her husband's name as "See-an," but Sean is usually pronounced "Shawn" in Ireland. Brian, which is what Bridey preferred to call her husband, was also the middle name of the man to whom Virginia Tighe was married. Some of the details did tally. For instance, her descriptions of the Antrim coastline were very accurate. So, too, was her account of a journey from Belfast to Cork. She claimed she went to a St. Theresa's Church. There was indeed one where she said there was, but it was not built until 1911. The young Bridey shopped for provisions with a grocer named Farr. It was discovered that such a grocer had existed.
    Despite the many holes in Bridey's story, it was still a remarkably detailed account of life in 19th century Ireland—information unlikely to have come Virginia Tighe's way. The case was studied by psychiatrists and psychologists, who had used hypnosis in treatment for many years. Many subjects, in deep hypnosis, can be highly suggestible and will act on the slightest hint given to them, seeking to supply the answer they subconsciously believe the hypnotist wishes to hear.[citation needed] Such hypnosis is largely a matter of releasing relevant details from the brain's incredible capacity for storing information. A subject can even quote verbatim from a long-forgotten childhood book. However, someone under hypnosis is not automatically telling the truth even if he is seeking to give a satisfactory response. Bernstein admitted that, while she was under hypnosis, he did tell Virginia Tighe what he wanted and that it was then that she became Bridey Murphy.[citation needed]
    The experts who examined the case of Virginia Tighe came to the conclusion that the best way to arrive at the truth was to check back not to Ireland but to her own childhood and her relationship with her parents. Morey Bernstein's book stated that Virginia Tighe (whom he called Ruth Simmons in the book) was brought up by a Norwegian uncle and his German-Scottish-Irish wife. However, it did not state that her actual parents were both part Irish and that she had lived with them until the age of three. It also did not mention that an Irish immigrant named Bridie Murphy Corkell (1892–1957)[2] lived across the street from Tighe's childhood home in Chicago, Illinois. Most scientists today are satisfied that everything Virginia Tighe said can be explained as a memory of her long-forgotten childhood.[citation needed]
    The Search for Bridey Murphy was also made into a 1956 movie starring Teresa Wright as Ruth Simmons.
    Virginia Tighe disliked being in the spotlight and was skeptical about reincarnation, although she said years later: "Well, the older I get the more I want to believe in it." She died in Denver in 1995.[3]
    Morey Bernstein remained convinced he had discovered a true past life of Virginia Tighe.[4] Bernstein gave up hypnotism after Bridey Murphy and began working in business. Success followed and he became a prominent local philanthropist. He died in Pueblo, Colorado, in 1999.
    <un snip>
    Spirituality and past lives may be just a FigBar of our MagicNewton. But I hope not.

    It would be nice to have something to look forward to. :)