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Is Scientology Imploding? Watching the Panic after Debbie Cooks email

Discussion in 'Tony Ortega' started by Free to shine, Jan 3, 2012.

  1. Gadfly

    Gadfly Crusader

    What happened was that many staff and public were LOVING the book. There was a period where it was being recommended and passed around.

    THEN the HCO and OSA investigations were done, and it became TABOO. But, there was a period where MANY were reading and recommending it BEFORE the invest and handlings began in earnest.
  2. Gadfly

    Gadfly Crusader

    Yes it IS totalitarianism, but then, I am sure you already know that asking me THAT is rhetorical! :yes:

    Scientology can help make a person become more "able" in some aspects (better confront, work harder, complete cycles of action, become more persistent, handle communication better, become calmer, etc.), but also though, just as you say it GREATLY disables them in a great many OTHER regards.

    Because of KSW and the severe 100% all-or-none "LRH and Scientology are RIGHT" enforced mentality, critical thinking skills and the ability to honestly observe are greatly DISABLED. The strict ideology and range of adopted Scientology fixed ideas act to interfere with and prevent Church members from benefitting from the fruits of their own honest observations.

    Hubbard explained the nature of "fixed ideas" quite well. And, he also installed a great many of them (fixed ideas) into the minds of his followers by the very structure and nature of the Scientology indoctrination system! These fixed ideas function to disable 1) additional learning and 2) honest observation exactly as Hubbard described.

    Once again Hubbard explained very well an actual mechanism of the human mind - fixed ideas - and then USED THAT DATA AGAINST YOU to manipulate and control you. The Church organization continues to also do, just as designed by Hubbard.
    Last edited: Jan 22, 2012
  3. CarmeloOrchards

    CarmeloOrchards Crusader

    You had a terrific attachment. How do you do attachments? I've never seen that before.

    Also I read The Gods of Eden a long time ago, don't remember when. There was an address in San Jose. It turned out to be a UPS Mailboxes, ETc. store. He had given up the mail drop. That was the extent of my research.
  4. Gadfly

    Gadfly Crusader

    To do an attachment, when putting up a post, scroll down to the "manage attachments" section. If you want to add an attachment AFTER having already posted, you must "go advanced" once hitting the "edit" button.

    When you click on "manage attachments", a page will open in a new window where you can upload and choose which attachments will appear on the post.

    Click on + Add Files, on the top right corner. You can aim to any folder on your hard drive to select the file to upload. Of course, you must first download the file to your own computer from wherever you first saw or found it.

    Once on your computer, upload it to ESMB. Once on ESMB, you then maintain a folder of all your uploaded attachments. You can add any of them to any future post. When you click on "manage attachments", it opens this folder for you to view.

    If you upload the file to ESMB when you are composing the post, the attachment will appear in the "lower box" and will be "inserted" wherever you have the cursor at in your post (or maybe at the end of the post). If you want to upload and NOT attach it to a post, simply upload it, and then delete it from the LOWER BOX.

    It sounds complicated, but once you take a look at the "manage attachments" section when posting, it is fairly straight-forward.

    I "learned" how to do this pretty much by how I learn to do anything - experiment and mess around until it "works". :coolwink:
    Last edited: Jan 22, 2012
  5. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    Note that there are more LRH trained auditors in the Independent/Freezone than in the COS. And they are better
    and cheaper. :)

    Now for fun lets look at your experience from the point of view of
    the 12 attributes of an SP.

    2. Deals in bad news, critical or hostile remarks inval and general suppression. [ Ticks all the boxes there!]

    3. Alters comm to worsen. Good news is stopped bad news embellished.
    [ The good news is the 17 year FSO CO pointing out policy is violated in
    crush reging for big buildings.]

    4. Does not respond to reform etc. [ probably didn't listen to the correct PL refs Debbie and probably yourself made]

    5. Surrounding such....cowed associates.[ Clearly not a happy experience for you]

    6. Selects wrong target. [ You made the report to correct channels and were targeted.]

    7. Cannot finish a cycle of action. [ well they havn't have they. You are being investigated, and will probably not get back on lines again]

    8. Confess to alarming crimes. [ well they are committing one by
    invest5igating you as a potential plant. Also wrong target]

    9. rages against and attacks anything constructive.[ like Debbie and no doubt yourself]

    10. Approves destructive actions.[ locking you up and investigating you]

    11. Helping others drives the SP berserk. [ Debbie was helping] Supports acivities which destroy in the name of help. [locking you up and investigating you]

    12. Bad sense of property. [ they locked up your body:) ]

    OK Missed on 1. Speaks in broad generalities. I lack enough data to say.

    So your E/O and OSA personel are probably not SP. They are however acting in an SP valence. That of command intention from DM.