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Yes, I see your point, however, for instance, I say I have been exterior, I flat out refuse to say "it's my opinion I went exterior"

To me it is not an opinion - it is a fact. No one has to believe me. That is their right. They can pass it off as delusion, imagination, opinion, a form of autoscopy, dissociative experiences - I don't care.

If you have an extra toe, and never show it to anyone, to you it is a fact, but to those who have never seen it?

So, yes, on some points I am dug in on. 100% Sorry.

However, what I believe does not trump your right to believe something else. I have always said and believed that, even in cases where the other person is clearly wrong.

Example: my wife went on line and bought $50 worth of xmas wrapping paper to send to our daughter to wrap gifts with. I said, that's an awful lot of paper, you should check with her first. "Nope! No way. It's bought, it's set in stone." she responded. I said "Ok." and went back to what I was doing.

Our daughter called soon after that and next thing " I hate it when you are right!!" was yelled at me as she frantically went on line to cancel her purchases.

Mimsey
 
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JustSheila

Crusader
Yes, I see your point, however, for instance, I say I have been exterior, I flat out refuse to say "it's my opinion I went exterior"

To me it is not an opinion - it is a fact. No one has to believe me. That is their right. They can pass it off as delusion, imagination, opinion, a form of autoscopy, dissociative experiences - I don't care.

If you have an extra toe, and never show it to anyone, to you it is a fact, but to those who have never seen it?

So, yes, on some points I am dug in on. 100% Sorry.

However, what I believe does not trump your right to believe something else. I have always said and believed that, even in cases where the other person is clearly wrong.

Example: my wife went on line and bought $50 worth of xmas wrapping paper to send to our daughter to wrap gifts with. I said, that's an awful lot of paper, you should check with her first. "Nope! No way. It's bought, it's set in stone." she responded. I said "Ok." and went back to what I was doing.

Our daughter called soon after that and next thing " I hate it when you are right!!" was yelled at me as she frantically went on line to cancel her purchases.

Mimsey
I know how you love to argue, Mimsey, so you just have it your way and state all the things you believe are facts, that you don't have opinions, just facts because you believe whatever you believe is then a fact and keep insisting on it the way you do. But don't expect others to want to engage in any discussions with you. There is nothing to discuss with a person who believes everything they say is beyond question and their way is the only way.

I tried helping you, but this is as far as I go. You know what you're doing that is aggravating others in conversations and you insist you want to continue doing it, so it's your own fault.
 
No - I have posted many, many opinions - they just get confused with the things I view /post as facts, perhaps because I am not an accomplished writer.

You perhaps fail to remember, I have looked up things people on ESMB have asked me to, and I have changed my mind on same. I am not immune to learning.

Mimsey
 

JustSheila

Crusader
No - I have posted many, many opinions - they just get confused with the things I view /post as facts, perhaps because I am not an accomplished writer.

You perhaps fail to remember, I have looked up things people on ESMB have asked me to, and I have changed my mind on same. I am not immune to learning.

Mimsey
You've missed the point entirely.

Never mind. I'm not getting into any more of these discussions with you.
 
The whole Tribe thread was a learning experience. My concept of it morphed as it progressed - as Enthetan pointed out I had a romanticized view of tribal life - I was clearly wrong.

As was socialism - as a result of responses to my posts, I learned a lot about the different flavors of it, and my concept of it was in error.

I thought Socialism was about the interaction of people, the providing them with basic needs, from clean streets, police forces, etc. so family's and businesses could exist and serve their fellow man. Something positive.

Hell no. It was the gateway to communism. It was the poor underclasses preying on the rich, the government, and sucking the life blood of America to provide them with free education, health care, social security, welfare, so they can pop out and raise crack babies to get more welfare. The anti Christ of capitalism.

Ok I exaggerate.

But you get the point? I am willing to change my mind. But I'm not wishy washy either. I enjoy your posts a lot, and they are informative. I may not agree with them, but I will read them. Were I to ever put anybody on ignore, you would be close to the bottom of the list.

Mimsey
 
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JustSheila

Crusader
The whole Tribe thread was about a learning experience. As was socialism - as a result of responses to my posts, I learned a lot about the different flavors of it, and my concept of it was in error.

I thought Socialism was about the interaction of people, the providing them with basic needs, from clean streets, police forces, so family's and businesses could exist and serve their fellow man. Something positive.

Hell no. It was the gateway to communism. It was the poor underclasses preying on the rich, the government, and sucking the life blood of America to provide them with health care, social security, welfare, so they can pop out and raise crack babies to get more welfare.

Ok I exaggerate.

But you get the point? I am willing to change my mind. But I'm not wishy washy either. I enjoy your posts a lot, and they are informative. I may not agree with them, but I will read them. Were I to ever put anybody on ignore, you would be close to the bottom of the list.

Mimsey
Well, at least you realized you exaggerate, that's a start. :coolwink:

Look, Mimsey, I don't care if you change your mind or not or what you believe or don't. Just know the difference between facts, opinions and beliefs and be able to keep them separate in discussions and don't get all upset if someone points out facts that contradict what you believe. There's no reason to present beliefs as facts.

I'm not personally enjoying most of the discussions you've started lately, they're too way out there for me, so I'm staying out of them. Maybe if there were a discussion about something objective that doesn't involve some spin on Scientology concepts. I also did not enjoy your extreme left views, because you never acknowledged that anything bad could ever happen when one group rules over and controls others, as in Socialism. I am not going to block you, Mimsey, but I am not joining any more conversations along those lines because they just don't go anywhere and it's frustrating.
 

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@Mimsey Borogrove

IMO means "In My Opinion," Mimsey. Opinions are opinions, not facts. When someone states their opinion as an opinion and you say, "it must be true", then there's the problem with your way of thinking. When people give their opinions, they are opinions and should be stated as such. That is not the same thing as a fact, and facts are not beliefs are not opinions, etc. You've got it all scrambled up.

If, if, if, if, if... :violin: Oh the drama! :dramaqueen:

Here's a tip: When you have a belief, state it is a belief. When you have an opinion, state it is an opinion and don't try to present beliefs and opinions as facts. Is that so hard?
That is a sensible guide, if anyone cares to be sensible, LOL.

But, like the Scientology cult---SJWs operate on a scale. Not the "Know to Mystery Scale"----the "KNOW TO NO!" scale.

KNOW
(e.g. I know that socialism will work in the
US even though in countries that tried it
they are eating garbage, dogs and rats)


OPINION
(e.g. in my opinion rich people are
the problem, because we can scientifically
prove that stealing their money and giving
it to poor people will make the poor people rich)


FEELING
(e.g. I feel that Donald Trump is a genocidal mass
murderer, so we should immediately impeach & imprison him)

SEEMS
(e.g. It seems that Trump is far worse than Hitler so
we should skip the prison and just immediately murder him)


NO!
(e.g. Whatever Trump says or does, even if it is brilliant and
helps millions of people, we must immediately reject
and just say NO! Resist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)





HELPFUL TIP: SJWs don't care about the effect of their social engineering theories that routinely produce disaster and suffering. They only care about the feel-good status they bestow upon themselves by stridently screaming that someone else is evil. They don't actually help anyone. They just help themselves to glorious gloating by being "outraged" and indignantly blaming others for everything that is wrong in the world. They know the solution to solving the world's problems if only the evil people can be vanquished so that the good people like themselves can control the deplorable masses that vote for mass murderers like Trump.
 
Well, at least you realized you exaggerate, that's a start. :coolwink:

Look, Mimsey, I don't care if you change your mind or not or what you believe or don't. Just know the difference between facts, opinions and beliefs and be able to keep them separate in discussions and don't get all upset if someone points out facts that contradict what you believe. There's no reason to present beliefs as facts.

I'm not personally enjoying most of the discussions you've started lately, they're too way out there for me, so I'm staying out of them. Maybe if there were a discussion about something objective that doesn't involve some spin on Scientology concepts. I also did not enjoy your extreme left views, because you never acknowledged that anything bad could ever happen when one group rules over and controls others, as in Socialism. I am not going to block you, Mimsey, but I am not joining any more conversations along those lines because they just don't go anywhere and it's frustrating.
That's fine. Sorry to frustrate you.
Mimsey
 

HelluvaHoax!

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But you get the point? I am willing to change my mind. But I'm not wishy washy either.

What you have stated would be a big win if not for the simple fact that you first conclude all manner of alarmingly incorrect theories, propaganda and Big Lies before you even research or examine the facts. Then you argue these obnoxiously & obviously wrong positions as though you know what you are talking about---by dismissing others who present facts as your moral inferior.

Eventually, you sometimes are literally beaten into having to admit that you don't have the slightest clue WTF you are sanctimoniously lecturing everyone about.

This places you squarely in the zone known as the SJW or CULT mindset.

It is not a badge of honor that you sometimes admit that you are dead wrong. To wit, good-driving-awards are not given to those who regularly crash their cars, just because when it's totaled they walk away from the scene of the accident and start looking to buy another car.

Likewise, if you are a commercial airline pilot, you don't get praise when you crash your plane and parachute out every day. You are not supposed to crash every 24 hours, that's the point.

HELPFUL TIP: Try researching & learning BEFORE you make conclusions. If you don't know, simply say: "I don't know". Having no conclusions makes you infinitely wiser than trying to steal valor for yourself by pretending and bullshiting everyone, including yourself. Only cult members value "total certainty" in the absence of knowledge.
 
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HelluvaHoax!

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It's pretty fascinating that one of the Cult of Scientology's foundational beliefs[sup]1[/sup] is prominently published right on their website!

"Knowledge itself is certainty. Knowledge is not data.” - L. Ron Hubbard

This "stable datum" and "technology" is not knowledge. It is insanity.

Ergo, it is no wonder that SJWs, Scientologists and all other cult devotees specialize in avoiding data (facts) and instead specialize in strident harangues, lectures and sanctimonious sermons that demonstrate how CERTAIN they are in their deluded beliefs.

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.[sup]1[/sup] Scientology's foundational belief. Also known as "religious scripture" by cult members. To non-cult members these sacred beliefs are commonly known as "BIG LIES".

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HelluvaHoax!

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You perhaps fail to remember, I have looked up things people on ESMB have asked me to, and I have changed my mind on same. I am not immune to learning.

Mimsey
Dogs, small farm animals and lab rats are also "not immune to learning".

It would be more impressive if you were to "not be immune" to confessing that you haven't bothered to research/learn a subject--and admitting that you don't know.
 
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Mimsey = lab rat. Gee, thanks.

BTW - "and admitting that you don't know. " done that many times on esmb, in real life etc. but, perhaps it wasn't all that memorable. Mimsey
 
Sure, curiosity is a beautiful thing. That is assuredly why Descartes ranked it as the FIRST of all the passions. . .

French philosopher, mathematician, scientist, and writer René Descartes (1596–1650) described wonder as one of the primary emotions because he claimed that emotions, in general, are reactions to unexpected phenomena. He noted that when people first encounter a surprising or new object, "... this makes us wonder and be astonished at it". Descartes, therefore, propounded that "Wonder is the first of all the passions." (Descartes The Passions of the Soul Article 53.)
There is much more Descartes explained about "the passions" which is "wonderful". .
Perhaps Descarte put De cart before de horse?
 

DagwoodGum

Squirreling Dervish
Yes and for a longer period of consciousness than even our computers can fathom.
I believe or rather hypothesize that God, or plural, finds the sun useful as an eye into the microcosm of microcosms that we call reality.
What more watchful eye could a God use in our proximity as his, hers and/or their localized vantage point?
God can read the feedback of every radioactive emanation from the sun and send radiospecific emanations from there to achieve any possible purpose.
Plus the sun would be the perfect place to base a soul reincarnation operation where,
when we followed "the light", we arrived at the sun as that was the light we saw along with many other souls heading back home after physical death.
And no, none of this is based on Scientological indoctrination as I'd been into other spiritual practices before I ever got involved with Scientology such as Rosicrucianism.
Move than half the world believe in one form of reincarnation or another as Buddhists, Hindu's etc.
 
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