I suppose it depends on your past. I have used many drugs (Not your average user, I never had real issues in my life that demanded I get away or numb or repress anything, I was searching for something) in my past and I can see how the average person wouldn't see how just small things described in Dianetics (I've read this, Dianetics 55, and self analysis, I'm not reading a new slant on life) really strike a nerve. I don't proudly say this, but I find it necessary to point out.
you did not answer my question - what was it about Dianetics that "changed your life"? What stunning fact, - I presume that you have not audited anyone with this life changing stuff or you would have said. So we are left for the earth moving for you - on what?
So never mind the "I was not a usual drug user" if you took drugs - thats exactly what you were - no matter how enobling you try to make it sound.
So you took drugs - no big deal a lot of people have. And you read "Dianetics" but didn't actually do anything - so you have never seen if it actually does anything - and you describe it as a life changer.
Wow, it's getting hip deep I must say.
As for what truly works, ARC is one of them surely although it allowed me to really create my own understandings that i borrowed from his.
I knew you would trot that out - ARC is total horse manure as any critical thinking would immediately tell you. Hang on - isn't ARC in POW or FOT which, apparently you have not read as yet?
But never mind - ARC is balderdash - why? Well let's take a great example - you meet a young man, clean cut, college type person. Friendly, a great guy. Taling with him you find out he is a nice as he looks . So you like him more, you feel your understanding of this man is getting better.
Then he gets arrested as a serial killer name, Ted Bundy. Suddenly either you love and admire a serial killer or you hate his guts. So much for understanding. So much for the interconnected triangle - as soon as you got a higher reality the affinty crashed out the bottom and the communication stops.
So it is total twaddle - a panacea made to sound good so that people who lack critical thinking skills will parrot it back.
As for the true is for you etc. Well it's kind of similar to being a false witness. Or thall shall not lie.
That is total bollocks - excuse my britishism. Its not at all similar to being a false witness. What it is, is an affirmation of self delusion. That all that matters is what you yourself know. But it leaves out the unknowable and the not yet knowable.
So where is the exact quote I asked you to cite - because you still have not done that.
What I've observed is that the worst of all crimes we commit is that we lie to ourselves without knowing or realizing it.
Wow really? the crime of murder or pedophilia or rape or genocide pales in comparison to lying to oneself? Holy cow. That's a bit rich to be honest - and totally insane.
It's truly amazing how people do not link up their unreasonable blame throughout life of others, and then fail to realize they do the same things to others, and but cannot admit it because it would force them to face themselves and realize they should be blaming themselves as much as they try to point there fingers elsewhere.
Wow - you may think that way - doesn;t make it a fact. Where do you glean all this from BTW?
As for reading material I've picked up a lot of info throughout my life which i never pieced together. My father is one of a kind, and dedicates, and always has, all of his free time to conspiracy theory. From ET, reptilian people, Jewish origins and motives(Rothchilds, fair game act), ancient Egyptian lineage, royal blood lines, abductions, child pornography rings, political blackmail, New world order undermining the majority of our population, Brave New World, Machiavellian concepts, manipulation of the markets, free energy/tesla/radionics, Luciferian beliefs, freemasonry, satanic cults (all types), christianity, conspiracy about things such as BP oil spill in the gulf, weather control, control of things such as earthquakes, about government puppets, inner workings of the ideologies of super powers, Identity and mind control through satellite and tv programing/movies, USA's undermining by cults, spread of wealth, conserving countryside to force people into metro areas, force limited travel throughout the world, to just about anything you can think of. I haven't had much use for all of it until I started my journey about the end of 2011. Then it all just really seemed to all come together to create a huge picture of what I consider my world view which has drastically changed.
well I do feel for you for having an insane parent.
As for judging Scientology, well unless I've been a member I can't justify slandering them, or in any way demand that they are necessarily what i see some people criticizing them as being. For I haven't had any first hand experience. But at the same time i am not blind enough to deny the existence of such claims. For one i don't see them defending themselves too often which also leads me to wonder why that is.
hmm so you are advancing the idea that one can only comment on or observe the reality of something by being in it? Hmm. So if you see someone being killed in an attack you cannot bear woitness because you were not involved? Nice cop out - were you not mentioning something about responsibility somewhat earlier?
So you claim you have not seen much - doesn't sound like you have looked very hard. There are a number of books freely available on line at no cost to you which you could have easily read but chose not to do so.
There are a number of personal stories on this websiter and others that you could have perused but again - chose not to do so.
So if you refuse to actually look then you are not "seeking thr truth" or anything else.
So then why would you come here? You have proven by your own words that you are not looking for anything that is offered here.
Let me ask you some things
1) Was hubbard a convicted felon? Do the research
2) Was he a bigamist? Again - do the research
3) Did he order a child to be locked in a chain locker on a ship as a punishment?
4) Did he try to have his wife arrested?
5) Did Hubbard lie to the US Navy about hsi injuries?
I am not expecting you to know the answers to these questions off the bat - all I am doing is asking them and wishing to see what you answer,
Do they not because they spend their time creating real change rather than sitting on the internet like kids and ruin their reputation as mature adults by fighting back and forth online which as most know leave no winners. It's just that childish slander back and forth. Or is it because they can't defend themselves. I don't know. For one, considering all the power people credit them for I'm surprised they allow so much slandering on these forums if they have as much power as some claim they have being as evil as they are.
I have not claimed that they have so much power - if you are going to make a generalized statement you might at least get an idea of what you are talking about. I have repeatedly stated that they have very little power because they are a useless organization.
The reason we talk about them is because most of us gave a lot of time and energy to it only to find out that it is a nasty thuggish little cult that hurts people.
Now I am happy that you think it a waste of time to oppose a thuggish litle cult. I am happy indeed that you think it just "childish slander" to try to prevent this grubby organization from hurting any more people. But you will have to forgive and understand that the reason you feel the way you do is that you are either the biggest prize putz to come waddling down the pike in a very long time or the most pathetic kind of troll to lurch out from under The Bridge in quite a while.
But thank you anyway for giving uis all a chance to slag this incompetent organization of twits one more time!
As far as the treat others as you would like to be treated goes. I find more often than not people go for the treat others as you would expect to be treated if you catch my drift.
not really - I think you drifted quite a ways off the landing beam with that.
As for Hubbard (hopefully you appreciate that now rather than LRH) I wasn't there, I didn't know the guy. I just like his writing so far.
Ah - the answer of TBer.
caught by your own statement - "I wasn't there" you were not there when Hubbard wrote either but that doesn't seem to disturb the wah.
I will say this, I'm well aware of the info available on the internet, my dad thrives on it. If you want to believe the common opinion based on what you read on the internet, well, i guarantee you'll have a hard time finding any real facts that aren't accompanied by 100 others that contradict that fact.
For someone who claimed he was not on the internet much you really manage to make yourself look a little foolish.
That guarantee would only hold true if you actually lacked any criticial thinking skills - like your description of your father for example. A person who cannot discern fact from fiction who cannot apply the basics of argumentation and who faithfully follows any piece of BS because he or she does not know any better.
So my 33 year old doesnt spend much time on the internet, doesn't do any research but guarantees certain things about this vast entity which he has claimed he doesn't have much to do with - you are a natural for scientology!!
If I was to say I KNEW Scientology was evil or bad i would be lying wouldn't I? Because I haven't had first hand experience with them. All I can say is that what is true is i heard over the internet a few people disgruntled with them. That is all the truth that lies there. And that many people say "that weird church called Scientology" so far I have no real grounds for discounting or making a final judgement on them. True or not? It would be easy to say our government was evil, and full of corrupted/blackmailed politicians. It's easy just look for the common slander of the US government and build your case against them. Simple as that, but without first hand experience, or spyware used to trace, step by step, each politician's daily life you are doing no more than making educated guess's also completely biased due to many factors. When the truth of the matter is the reason they don't tell us the dirty (but probably very truly great work) details is because we couldn't handle it because our minds are stuck to herd mentality. People bitch about the Patriot Act, yet they fail to understand the feds don't need a Patriot Act, simply, they could just make people disappear without ever attempting to pass such an act. They do it so they are obviously accounting for what they do when they pull someone off the street. Not to hoodwink us and say, haha you're all fools
wow talk about ending with red herrings!! You have enough there to start a fishmongers shop.
Listen - you are not good at this, so to save you any further embarrasment let's go with the idea that you could not strike an effective blow because you really lack the knowhow to do so. I suggets going over to some local scientology organization and handing over whats left of your money and ask them to take whats left of your critical thinking skills and your soul.
I think you are projecting mate.
