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Discussion in 'Scientology-related Videos' started by CommunicatorIC, Mar 29, 2013.

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  1. afaceinthecrowd

    afaceinthecrowd Gold Meritorious Patron

    No, not entirely. :no:

    Otto's own personal description...which I have read more than once, is available on the NET and I'm not gonna take the time to go find and Post a Link for...describes El Ron's blows as weak, feeble and--IIRCC--sissy like. :coolwink:
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  2. Leland

    Leland Crusader

    Interesting. Yes...I think the Cult's "one size fits all" is ridiculous....and pisses many people off....

    Certainly many a time in my life....I did have a "state of grace" and bad things that could have happened....just didn't. One time a "biker" coming after me comes to mind....

    Just auditing a good amount of different people on Clay Table was so obvious...that people took the auditing to entirely different "depths." There is no size fits all could work....

    (unless Hubbard wanted to enslave....which is a possibility....)
  3. afaceinthecrowd

    afaceinthecrowd Gold Meritorious Patron

    Before the SO, Otto was a Merchant Marine Officer, IIRCC. :coolwink:
  4. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    He had a hissy fit? Sheesh. Mimsey
  5. Leland

    Leland Crusader

    Ohhh...I'd like to know that too.....

    Last I heard, Chris had routed out of the SO...and was running an Electrician company in Clearwater....

    Anyone know what the name of that company or address is?

    ( I have a couple bones to pick with her......)

  6. Karen#1

    Karen#1 Gold Meritorious Patron

  7. Anonycat

    Anonycat Crusader

    Let me try to be very clear. And I don't mean to be offensive by making it short.

    Otto was being beat to shit by Hubbard, in Hubbard's cabin on the ship.

    The only other person in the cabin, behind closed doors, was the young man Chris Quinn, a personal Messenger.

    Chris told me what happened.
  8. Cat's Squirrel

    Cat's Squirrel Gold Meritorious Patron

    The odd thing is, Otto thought the world of Hubbard and probably still does. I don't know if it was Stockholm syndrome or because he genuinely believed he and others had benefited substantially from the Tech (I'm inclined to think the latter).
  9. HelluvaHoax!

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    In Scientology it is known as the Stuckhole Syndrome. It's a mental state that happens when you were stuck in the hole (chain locker, doublewide trailer prison, et al)--where even after you leave the hole you still "think the world of Hubbard".

    Wogs call it moronic masochism.
  10. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    Thank you - Chris Montgomery had told me how she was on the ship, and did Hubbard's after session exams, sometimes sleeping outside his door, where he would awaken her, and she would go in and do the exam. ( his night schedule) and I wondered if she was the Chris you referring to. Thanks for clarifying.

  11. Karen#1

    Karen#1 Gold Meritorious Patron

    Stacy Brooks story is a long one with many twists and turns. My tale only focuses on her life when she and Vaughn bravely put themselves forward as Expert Witnesses.
    Not many folk in the 1990s would do this.
    I think it is important to show that decade after decade the evil of the Cult played out Only now, the Internet reveals to what length this cartel will go to fight opponents.,
    And this is what the IRS gave Tax exemption to !
  12. Boojuum

    Boojuum Silver Meritorious Patron

    Another fabulous video.

    You are correct in pointing out that Stacy was courageous in testifying in the early 90's. Few were speaking publicly against the cult. There was no ARS or ESMB. Her work is heroic.

  13. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    I reread that link today, the Otto Roos story. I read it a few years ago. I've done much more reading since then, or have become much more aware as opposed to the word unconscious, if one were to substitute the words with each other and bypassing pain & unconsciousness as a definition, or engram.

    Memory lapses. Otto did it all. Even went back into the "crowd". And now he has memory lapses.

    I just a couple a few months ago met a couple in their 90's. Fully there in memory. No scientology on their part, just Wogs.
  14. Karen#1

    Karen#1 Gold Meritorious Patron

    Scientology Inc is pathologically obsessive about all thing psychiatry.
    Yet in a mad stroke of vengeance Office of Special Affairs, their gestapo black job back operation got mental health officials to arrive at Stacy's home to take her in custody as a mental case.
  15. koki

    koki Silver Meritorious Patron

    What did you think about Stacy ,in year 2000?
  16. Boojuum

    Boojuum Silver Meritorious Patron

    Yup. Stacy had a HUGE impact on me. Those wonderful videos and willingness to stand up and speak the truth!

    Thanks for posting Karen!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Great job.
  17. Boojuum

    Boojuum Silver Meritorious Patron

    We should never forget the danger that Stacy put herself in. She could have opted out of the fight at any time but had the courage to stand up in front of the world and the big bad OSA dudes and say in so many words,




    Ballzy moves. Moreso considering the times.

    Consider that the COS had a staff of people working 100+ hours a week trying to find ways to stop her from talking.


    (thanks Karen#1 for bringing this up.)
  18. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    I admittedly am a relic. I remember seeing Karen back in the day and I must have walked past Stacy many times but I don't remember. My experience in the Sea Org goes back decades. But what makes my observations relevant is the consistency whereby I can take that experience and apply it to the present. The behavior of the church that I knew in the 70s is completely in character with everything I observe today. The fundamental problems that led up to current issues were firmly in place under LRH.

    There are people much better versed in the teachings than I who can expound on this but I recall LRH saying something to the effect that "What you resist - you become". The concept being that a person creates a mental mass that can subconsciously influence their behavior through a fixation on fear, an opposition terminal or enemy, a "Games Condition", and as a spiritual being or thetan that mass IS what they see and eventually all they see. As a person sees others, so must they see themselves. If you think humanity is evil then it is because it is through your own evil that you see humanity.

    You get the idea. Scientology in many ways has become the psychiatry and the conspiracies it fears. Look at what the church demands for itself: The authority to physically restrain or confine people if Scientology unilaterally determines them to be a threat to themselves, the church or others. Total power to determine or deny treatment without outside oversight. Demanding recourse only through church controlled venues and laws. The abolishment of opposing practitioners. A monopoly on mental health teachings. Influence over regulating governmental or professional agencies. Total control over "parishioner's" records and their distribution.

    In summary, LRH didn't just want to destroy other fields of mental health, he essentially wanted his own psychiatric industry to have a monopoly. For all the rantings about psychiatry's barbaric methods it is Scientology that I saw make people sleep in the morgue under Big Blue and on thin army surplus mattresses in supply closets near the incinerator like some medieval dungeon. That they would use psychiatry as part of a plan to have Stacy committed would not surprise me in the least.

    Apparently Stacy is disengaged from all of this now. She was a key player in the avant-garde. I can relate that she may want nothing to do with Scientology. Maybe some day I'll go off grid and consign it to the past also but for now I'm engaged, in my own little way I'm building on Stacy's work and I hope it helps somebody somewhere avoid the mindwarp or recover from it.

    Thank you Stacy! And Thank You Karen!
  19. Boojuum

    Boojuum Silver Meritorious Patron

    I've never seen this analogy before but it's very good. Thanks for posting.
  20. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on

    A stunning inside look at the fanatical tactics & criminal extremes Scientology will take to destroy innocent people--who simple speak/write the truth about Hubbard's cult of lies and terror as it desperately attempts to conquer & enslave the world.

    Yes, the Scientologists really are trying to do that.

    Thank you, Karen, for the wonderfully illuminating video and the well-deserved tribute to Stacy.

    This is a 5-star video, brilliant. Highly recommended to all!
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