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Knowing How to Know vs. Believing

Discussion in 'Evaluating and Criticising Scientology' started by Mojo, Oct 13, 2007.

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  1. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    Like a Corvaire, except with a "Vin" instead of a "Corv".

    Alonso :duh:
  2. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    Hubbard's 1938 'Excalibur' letter serves as the de facto 'Mission Statement' of Scientology (Hubbard's Scientology that is), and it's not in the least airy or spiritual.

    "Living is a pretty grim joke, but a joke just the same. The entire function of man is to survive. Not for 'what' but just to survive... I turned the thing up, so it's up to me to survive in a big way. Personal immortality is only to be gained through the printed word, barred note, or painted canvass or hard granite [titanium?]. Foolishly perhaps, but determined nonetheless, I have high hopes of smashing my name into history so violently that it will take a legendary form even if all the books are destroyed. That goal is the real goal as far as I am concerned. Things which stand too consistently in my way make me nervous. It's a pretty big job. In a hundred years Roosevelt will have been forgotten, which gives some idea of the magnitude of my attempt. And all this boils and froths inside my head."

    Years later, Hubbard wrote that "PR is overt (visible), Intelligence (the serious part) is covert."

    The 'Axioms' were always of interest to me, and I can remember spending a summer reading and rereading Hubbard's descriptions of them in the (now out of print) book, 'The Phoenix Lectures'. To me, it was a wonderful change of pace from other philosophical texts, books on Zen, "consciousness," Yoga, etc., that I had been reading previously.

    At the time, being naive, I assumed this was the core of Scientology - its 'Axioms' - but I was naive.

    It turned out that Hubbard was a "joker" (and a somewhat grim one at that) with a "hidden agenda," and that, indeed, "PR is overt" and "Intelligence is covert."

    The "serious stuff" of Scientology (Hubbard's Scientology) is not the visible and promoted part.

    P.S. And the "promoted part" includes the advertised "confidential upper levels."
    Last edited: Oct 15, 2007
  3. Vinaire

    Vinaire Sponsor

    Now that is what I call a personal attack full of bile.

  4. Emma

    Emma Con te partirò Administrator

    With all due respect Vin, that's not bile.

    If you ever want to see some bile just give me the nod and I'll point you to a thread or ten on another message board that will make your head spin.
  5. Vinaire

    Vinaire Sponsor

    If its not bile then it is ignorance. Sad but true.

    This guy has no idea of the truth. He is simply stuck with Hubbard.

  6. Alan

    Alan Gold Meritorious Patron

    How would such a being set up the perfect program?

    The first thing to establish is to create oneself as a hidden source of everything and everyone. (To do that would require the subtle denial of everyone and everything.)

    Obviously the source point would be that which everything and everyone is based on.

    Axiom 1.

    First change the formless unsubstantial substance of the pure essence of Spirit to Theta - a subtle shift - but a repositioning shift.

    The second step would be to exclude everything and everyone.

    Simple "It" has no mass, no location, no space, no time.

    Where-as the opposite is true - it can create and include all mass, (things) all locations, all space, all time and all energy.

    The rest of the Axioms contain a lot of alignments and truth.

    When you can grasp the all-ness potential of the formless unsubstantial substance of the pure essence of Spirit - the resultant expansion of what is possible goes beyond incredible.

  7. beyond_horizons

    beyond_horizons Patron Meritorious

    Sounds like a projection to me. You're the one with over 1900 posts here. :)
    Last edited: Oct 15, 2007
  8. beyond_horizons

    beyond_horizons Patron Meritorious

    If one were to demo hubbo's "Axiom 1" as it were intended it would look something like this;


    At best the guy had a massive MU as to the nature of 'static'!
  9. Zinjifar

    Zinjifar Silver Meritorious Sponsor

    That's nuthin.
    He also had a massive MU on the nature of 'Axiom'

  10. Mojo

    Mojo Silver Meritorious Patron

    That's axiomatic.
  11. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    Me too. Is OT ability but there are gradients of application.
  12. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    Beautiful history lesson.

    Hammurabi also gave the rule of law as opposed to the rule of man.
  13. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    You appear here to deny the great value and expansion of the mission Network that occurred later.
  14. Alan

    Alan Gold Meritorious Patron

    Great value?

    The long term results do not show great value to very many people.

    We promised "freedom" and "restored determinism" - instead, we delivered people into the most insidious trap imaginable.

    I built my Missions on the promises of what the future of new discoveries in Scio held - none appeared - just rehashes of old material.

    The "Mission Network" turned into a "bait and switch" trap. A naive bunch of fools.

    Strange how some of greatest masters of the Technology for individual growth could be tricked into supporting the most hideous bunch of bureaucratic organizational leeches designed to entrap so many.

    The purpose for a Scio Organization is: To create a safe space so that that auditing and training could occur.

    But instead we had layers of Organizations that monitored layers of Organization so that LRH could maintain control and domination whilst he stayed in hiding.....each time he ran away.......a new layer of Organization was built to solve his control and domination of the area he blew from.

  15. Bea Kiddo

    Bea Kiddo Crusader

    Poetry. Straight up.

    Couldn't have said it better myself.
  16. beyond_horizons

    beyond_horizons Patron Meritorious

    You're tugging on the old heart strings ... ya are. :touched:
  17. Div6

    Div6 Crusader

    Igor Stravinsky
    Elton John\Bernie Taupin
    Mick Jagger\Keith Richards
    Paul Simon
    Pete Townsend\Roger Daltry
    The Pre-Ford buyout Jaguar company
    Rolls Royce
    Barbera Streisand
    Gilbert and Sullivan
    The Beatles

  18. Tanstaafl

    Tanstaafl Crusader

    Notable absentees:

    Bob Moog (R.I.P.)
    Nikola Tesla
    Frank Zappa
    Diego Maradona (?!)
    Catherine Destivelle
    David Lynch

    etc.... :)

    Oh, and not forgetting, Alanzo the Magnificent.
  19. Bea Kiddo

    Bea Kiddo Crusader

    See? Proof you are a slave. By your own admission.