Caroline
Patron Meritorious
I found a few clips of a recent Larry King interview of Leah Remini. Leah admits that as a Scientologist, she was a fraud. I thought her admission was brave, humble, insightful and worthy of contemplation or discussion here. Rough transcript follows:
PS: I get the context of Larry King's question or assertion that you can't be poor and be a Scientologist. But Leah, of course you can be poor and be a Scientologist, right? (Hint: Staff members; Sea Org members, bankrupted but still dedicated public.)
If Leah Remini, from where she was in the organization, knew that she was lying and a fraud, then Mike Rinder and Mark Rathbun, with far superior knowledge and personal participation, knew that Scientology was a fraud, and they were liars and frauds. They knew it at least from the early 1980s. Leah Remini might not have known that L. Ron Hubbard was a judicially declared pathological liar. But Rinder and Rathbun did because they fought, lied and defrauded to obtain that judgment for Hubbard and Scientology. (See Breckenridge Decision.)
Larry King Now (15 December 2016) said:Larry King: Did you see people get better?
Leah Remini: Uh, good question. Um, I saw people get better in, in, in ways that I can't say they couldn't have received that same help by talking to a bona fide therapist, or talking to a good friend.
LK: But they got help.
LR: Yes and no. Because Scientology as a whole is, is, I think, it's my opinion that it's fraudulent. Because everything in Scientology is a promise of when you get to these upper levels, when you get to these upper levels you will handle this in yourself, you will handle that in yourself.
Um, those upper levels are confidential. And they cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. So, it's a "Pay as you go" religion. You can't just show up to a church and get free services.
Of course they offer free services in the beginning. Um, but then as you actually progress, uh--
LK: So you can't be poor and be a Scientologist.
LR: No, not at all. Um, and ah, I've seen people cash in their 401Ks, I see them living ah, in a way um that is sacrificing their lives, their children.
LK: Do they have services?
LR: They don't. Um, they, they appear to be doing that. They put up a front that they believe in God or that it's secular, or that you can believe in anything, which is--
LK: That's a front.
LR: That's a front, and that's a lie.
LK: Yeah, but you were doing it all those years. Did you say I'm part of a front?
LR: No. I, like most Scientologists, believed that what I was doing was good. And I was only--
LK: --so people now in there doing what you were doing believe that what they're doing.
LR: No, but Larry, I was a liar. I knew that I was lying. So that's what I am admitting to you, that I--
LK: So you were a fraud.
LR: Correct.
Larry King Now on ORA.TV (15 December 2016)
PS: I get the context of Larry King's question or assertion that you can't be poor and be a Scientologist. But Leah, of course you can be poor and be a Scientologist, right? (Hint: Staff members; Sea Org members, bankrupted but still dedicated public.)
If Leah Remini, from where she was in the organization, knew that she was lying and a fraud, then Mike Rinder and Mark Rathbun, with far superior knowledge and personal participation, knew that Scientology was a fraud, and they were liars and frauds. They knew it at least from the early 1980s. Leah Remini might not have known that L. Ron Hubbard was a judicially declared pathological liar. But Rinder and Rathbun did because they fought, lied and defrauded to obtain that judgment for Hubbard and Scientology. (See Breckenridge Decision.)