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Livestreaming now..from Scientology Commuity Center LA - Vaccines

Discussion in 'General Scientology Discussion' started by Smurf, Jun 19, 2015.

  1. Anonycat

    Anonycat Crusader

    A bad time for POC to parrot the kooks.


  2. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    Given that a current senior scientist at the CDC admitted he and his colleagues committed scientific misconduct to cover up a meaningful link between vaccines and autism in black boys, perhaps it's a bad time for POC to believe the proclamations from CDC on issues of vaccine safety?
    If that's not enough, there's plenty of other evidence of corruption within this agency that should make a reasonable person question their creditability on these vaccine issues:

    There's plenty of valid science that's been done (some of which I linked to earlier) that should give one cause for concern.

    Sorry, but characterizing those who expose the corruption and/or make a science based argument as "kooks" isn't that convincing for me.
    Last edited: Jul 19, 2017
  3. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    I am skeptical, since all I see is an opinion of one doctor of another's opinion who later recanted that opinion. It's enough to raise a red flag to look into this further, but beyond the opinions of opinions, are the actual alleged documents proving this link available?

    After all, if they were sent to a Congressman, someone must have copies, right?

    Do you have information on this other study referred to on that site that links tics with autism?
  4. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

    MORE on Nation of Islam Workshop on Vaccinations at the Church of Scientology of Miami.



  5. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    Sheila, sorry, saw your post just now, ten days after you wrote it.

    I think that it's more convincing if you actually hear the recording of the conversation between Dr. William Thompson (CDC Scientist) and Dr.Brian Hooker. It's clear from hearing the recording that Dr. Thompson believed that he personally (as well as his associates at CDC) acted very unethically (if not criminally) with how they manipulated the data on the study which changed the outcome of the research, and it was clear that he felt very guilty about it.

    I'll post the link to the recording later whenever I'm able to find one (for free).

    With regards to Thompson's "reanalysis" of the paper later (which I believe is what you're referring to as him recanting his opinion), Dr. Hooker said this:

    As far as the actual documents, Dr. Thompson has said that he kept hard copies of them after he was ordered to shred them, and he sent a copy to a Congressman in FL who put them in a safe and asked for hearings on the matter, but those never happened to my knowledge.

    I'll link to it when I get a moment to dig it up; it may be some days though.

    Probably will put it into a different thread though somewhere in "Off-Topic" sub-forum, as I already derailed this thread more that I should have.
  6. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

    Nation of Islam Minister Tony Muhammad says the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is a "Monument to Slavery" that "Should Be Torn Down."

  7. Churchill

    Churchill Gold Meritorious Patron

    Mullah Tony of the American Taliban aka The Nation of Islam has spoken, and in years to come will doubtless find no shortage of scapegoats to blame for the entirely preventable illnesses and infirmities that unvaccinated African-American children will suffer from.
    Ignorant and angry people, fed a diet of racial conspiracy theories that inevitably place Jews at the center, as sinister puppet masters is the essence of their sinister "theology."
    tesseract likes this.
  8. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

    New York Times: Despite Measles Warnings, Anti-Vaccine Rally Draws Hundreds of Ultra-Orthodox Jews

    By Kimiko de Freytas-Tamura

    May 14, 2019

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    But the rally on Monday in Monsey, a Rockland County town about 30 miles northwest of New York City, vividly illustrated how the anti-vaccine fervor is not only enduring, but may be growing: Hundreds of ultra-Orthodox Jews packed a ballroom for a “vaccine symposium” with leaders of the anti-vaccination movement.

    Organized by a Monsey-based Jewish group, the event also showed how the movement was gaining ground: Greg Mitchell, a Washington-based lobbyist who represents the Church of Scientology, attended the meeting and addressed the crowd, offering to be their “voice in the public-policy game.”

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  9. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

    The Gothamist has more:

    Rabbi At Anti-Vaccination Symposium Blames 'Illegals' For Spreading Disease

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    D.C. lobbyist Greg Mitchell took the stage after Rabbi Handler. Mitchell has pushed for such causes as the First Step Act, the criminal justice reform bill signed into law late last year by President Trump. Mitchell, according to a report from the Daily Beast, was booted from those efforts when organizers found out he was also lobbying for the Church of Scientology, and that the church was potentially trying to convert formerly incarcerated people through a nonprofit it runs.

    “I will be your voice in Washington, I’ll make it will help you carry your message; I will stand next to you,” Mitchell said, admitting not to know much about the vaccine safety issue and deferring to the expertise of other speakers. “I’m your lobbyist, I’m here to help you.”

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  10. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    The ultra orthodox could get away with not vaccinating their people ONLY as long as everyone else around them was vaccinated.

    With Third World illegals in increasing numbers, they can no longer be "free riders".
  11. COS and NOI News

    COS and NOI News @ISNOINews on Twitter

    The New Yorker: The Message of Measles

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    As public-health officials confront the largest outbreak in the U.S. in decades, they’ve been fighting as much against dangerous ideas as they have against the disease.


    In May, there was an ultra-Orthodox anti-vaccination “symposium” in a ballroom in Monsey—men and women separated by a makeshift wall, Wakefield present via Skype. A Satmar rabbi, Hillel Handler, stood and suggested that the measles outbreak was an anti-Hasidic conspiracy concocted by Mayor Bill de Blasio, as a cover for diseases imported by Central American immigrants. Others equated what they called “forced vaccination” with the Holocaust.

    A representative of the Church of Scientology offered logistical help. The state’s director of epidemiology, Debra Blog, sat quietly near the front of the women’s section, but after a while, dismayed by the rhetoric of what McDonald, of the C.D.C., had taken to calling “the pro-measles movement,” she left. “I knew it was going to be bad, but not this bad,” she told me. “The speakers were terrible. I realized that if I got up to say something I was going to get hauled out of there.”

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  12. lotus

    lotus stubborn rebel sheep!

    Scientology is like an octopus reaching all governemental agencies with its many tentacules.

    Fortunately some people are more advised to spot them when they are showing to push their fallacious misinformation.