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Louis Farrakhan, the Nation of Islam, and Scientology

Discussion in 'Nation of Islam and Related Groups' started by Dulloldfart, Aug 23, 2010.

  1. Lynn Fountain Campbell

    Lynn Fountain Campbell Silver Meritorious Patron

    Their Day of Atonement is coming up soon at Flag. This is when they were supposed to have produced 1,000 Dianetic auditors.

  2. dali should be painting this

    irresistable farce meets unlaughable object
  3. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    Nation of Islam to hold annual conference in Tampa
    Get industrial-size bags of popcorn.
  4. shader

    shader Patron with Honors

    They might not make sense from a rational perspective, but they usually make sense if you are familiar with the LRH policies behind their actions.

    e.g. their continual footbullets with respect to critics seems stupid and counter-productive, but if you read the policies on "black propaganda" and "always attack, never defend" it makes sense, considering the mental straitjacket they are operating under.

    Anyone know if there are policies on infiltrating and subverting organizations?
  5. mnql1

    mnql1 Patron Meritorious

    The objective of training 1,000 auditors by Oct. 14 was scaled back to "a thousand auditors, period" with no deadline. This was stated by Berve Muhammad a few minutes before an address by Louis Farrakhan concerning the criticisms and problems encountered during the first few weeks of the Dianetics program:

    The entire transcript can be found in the thread on this subject:

    The download link for the .mp3 file on which the transcript is based is longer usable, but the audio can be heard on RuTube:
  6. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

  7. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    Heresy! Blasphemy! I can imagine the org course sups needing a reality adjustment.
  8. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    The part about the auditor having no right to hear withholds is very interesting.

    He doesn't trust DM's org with his peoples' O/Ws (with good reason). Given that NoI does prison recruitment, the O/Ws might be significant and incriminating for too many people, and just exempting some would point out which NoI have undisclosed crimes.
  9. Boojuum

    Boojuum Silver Meritorious Patron

    Historic Point W/C-ing and NoI

    According to Alex Haley's Autobiography of Malcolm X, MalcolmX, one of the early promoters of NoI, credits the origin of his enlightened life with word clearing. While sitting in prison, he was convinced to use a dictionary. Malcolm proceeding with zeal to look up and gain understanding of the standard words of English, which he contends allowed him to see the world with renewed and greatly improved understanding.

    I think the word clearing may have been a hook that the CoS used with NoI.
    Another hook might be the notion of self-reliance, which is strongly pushed by both groups.

    Don't worry. CoS will screw it up.
  10. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    Malcolm X was a very interesting guy. I would have liked to meet him.

    From his autobiography:
  11. Boojuum

    Boojuum Silver Meritorious Patron

    To Enthetan

    Thanks Enthetan.

    I told you so!
  12. degraded being

    degraded being Sponsor

    I understand that they are obedient to LRH. So it is predictable that they will jump when he says jump. And I understand that they are brainwashed. And I understand that they do not use their brains but use their obedience to Ron. And I understand that they have had a long history now of causing more trouble for themselves than the original (sometime nonexistent) trouble they were trying to avoid. None of that looks like making sense yet. It is just understanding of why they don't make sense.
  13. SirRalliart

    SirRalliart Patron with Honors

    The NOI were due in our org the week that I left. We were briefed by telexed OSA orders that we were to call them sir, can't smoke or be seen smoking or have smoke smell, be on our best behavior, no cussing, always smile, wear our Sunday bests... It was pretty disgusting. I wasn't really into kowtowing to another religion when we were supposed to be the religion of religions. And yes, it was Dianetics only.
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  15. mnql1

    mnql1 Patron Meritorious

    Teasers for a forthcoming critical documentary on DVD

    Teasers for a forthcoming DVD documentary critical of Louis Farrakhan's order to study Dianetics have been appearing on the iFireBreath2011 YouTube channel. Here is the most recent one, posted on November 19, 2010. This teaser includes clips from Tory Christman, Radio Paul, and AGP.

    Posted November 19, 2010
    Posted September 28, 2010
    Posted November 3, 2010

    The videos in which Louis Farrakhan and Munir Muhammad talk about Dianetics and Scientology are now on RuTube:
    Louis Farrakhan Espousing Dianetics and Scientology Beliefs
    (Final 15 minutes of Louis Farrakhan's Sun. Aug. 22,2010 address)
    Louis Farrakhan Defends Dianetics (audio only)
    (Probable date: Tues. Sept. 14, 2010)
    Munir Muhammad (1/2) Warning about L. Ron Hubbard, Dianetics and Scientology
    (Sun. Sept. 19, 2010 edition of the CROE TV program "The Time")
    Munir Muhammad (2/2) Warning about L. Ron Hubbard, Dianetics and Scientology
    (Sun. Sept. 19, 2010 edition of the CROE TV program "The Time")

    From Marty Rathbun's blog:
    Louis Farrakhan gets L. Ron Hubbard

    Relevant WWP threads:
    Marty Recommends Louis Farrakhan
    Munir Muhammad speaks about Scientology
    Transcript: Farrakhan Defends Dianetics
    NoI Dianetics Tampa Oct 15th

    Relevant ESMB threads:
    Louis Farrakhan, the Nation of Islam, and Scientology
    Transcript: Farrakhan Defends Dianetics
  16. Karen#1

    Karen#1 Gold Meritorious Patron

    UFOS visit off the Fort Harrison Balcony

    I do not and will not make fun of anyone who believes in UFOs
    Anyone can believe they see what they see.

    But I spent many a time at the Fort Harrison in Clearwater (Flag Service Org) on the 10th Floor and on this balcony facing Clearwater Beach and this post in this newspaper boggled my mind.

    As that phrase in "Alice in Wonderland" ~~ "Curiouser and Curiouser."

    (Black Muslim Students at FSO ~~ 10th floor balcony)
    As we looked up to the sky, there was a soft gathering of grayish black clouds. Sister Callie Muhammad noticed a small light coming from behind one of the faint cloud formations. From that moment on, the drama of the sighting began. All five of our sisters in attendance, including the public relations director and later joined by Fu Mei, were all drawn to this spectacular light that increased in size in the dark background of the night sky. A variety of color hues began to appear around the object, which were clearly visible to all of us. The shape of a dome emerged on the top with an angular slant on both sides. At a certain point, we recognized a rotating center ring or hub of bright oscillating lights. The color sequencing that we observed went from amber to reddish tints, to soft greens and blues.
    When Fu Mei entered and noticed the large object, she recalled receiving a text message on her phone several weeks earlier from Reverend Al Freddie when he was in Atlanta and was describing to her a similar type object that he observed there glowing in the night sky. Our public relations host said that she had heard about these kinds of sightings, generally referred to as UFOs, but had not actually witnessed one before until then.......

    We finally returned to our rooms highly electrified by this experience that was witnessed by so many participants there at the Fort Harrison Hotel. After we each received the technique of Nerve Assist developed by L. Ron Hubbard, we returned to the Book of our early evening studies on how UFOs communicate with us: It Is Information About How The Connections By UFOs Are Made.

    End of quote
  17. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    It's a little thing called the ARC Triangle, Karen.

    You establish some affinity, and then you raise the communication by talking about things within the target's reality - things you know they will agree with.

    And in that way, you can raise each side of the triangle higher and higher!

    Glad to see you expressing yourself here again, Karen.

    yay :happydance:
  18. mnql1

    mnql1 Patron Meritorious

    "Scientology and Farrakhan exposed" video

    Here's another video criticizing Louis Farrakhan's endorsement of Dianetics. The commentators underscore L. Ron Hubbard's racism and they play a brief 1972 audio recording in which Louis Farrakhan cautions against persons who mix truth and falsehoods to make merchandise of people. This video was posted on the 7SANETER YouTube channel on Nov. 19, 2010.

    The audio excerpt at 10:28-11:29 is a bit muffled, so here is a transcript.

    Louis Farrakhan: "You know, you have some terrible people. And you're not gonna bring that kind of garbage to me. You're so smart. You know that if you bring it to me, I'm gonna condemn it. So you hide it, because you really want to deceive, bias the Messenger about it, man. You see it actually is people who want to make merchandise of people. You know, when a man will hide the truth from another man, and then mix up truth with falsehoods, and then hide some portion of the truth that would condemn what he's doing, you see, that man has a motive in the heart to make merchandise of somebody."
  19. degraded being

    degraded being Sponsor

    Not making fun is going to become very suppressive on the self to self flow. Put on cans and start *shrieking with laughter* process to flatten *being nice to lunatics* button.
  20. Zinjifar

    Zinjifar Silver Meritorious Sponsor

    Yet another unfulfilled promise from Marty; he was going to give us the *real* lowdown on the Farrakhan connection following his 'Louis Gets It!' thread; but, only silence since.