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LRH's version of Heaven and Hell... and OT abilities promised

Discussion in 'Evaluating and Criticising Scientology' started by Takin Time, Sep 22, 2007.

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  1. Takin Time

    Takin Time Patron with Honors

    Even though L. Ron Hubbard poo-poo'd other religions ideas of heaven and hell, he created his own versions of the same thing.

    Hell = The dwindling spiral with the prospect of an eternity of mental and physical pain :hotwater:, suffering and agony :ball: if you DON'T get auditing.

    Heaven = An eternity of OT-abilities, prosperity, fun :runaround:, happiness :buzzin:, health and wellbeing :cloud9: if you get all of his auditing.

    Since most religions promulgate the ideas of heaven and hell to "encourage" :stickpoke: their parishioners to donate to the church and participate in the religion... what do you think about LRH's verion? :stir: Not too far different, eh?

    And there's always that alure of "OT abilities"; abilities far beyond any ordinary human being; something that can be described and aspired to; something somewhat magical; telepathy, telekenesis, perfect positive postulating, and much more. :pixiedust: But these alleged OT abilities (as a set) haven't been seen and borne out in fact amongst those who have had his auditing. Was it just a pipe dream?
  2. Vinaire

    Vinaire Sponsor

    I think it was wrong to make Scientology a religion. It is not a religion. That was done to get the tax advantage.

    I would like to see an independent non-religious rendition of Scientology as an applied philosophy.

  3. Zinjifar

    Zinjifar Silver Meritorious Sponsor

    Could you do without Scientology as a 'movement'?

    Would Scientology as a 'self-help' technology do?
    Or, is there a *need* for Scientology For All; Whether They Want It Or Not'


  4. Vinaire

    Vinaire Sponsor

    Scientology should simply be available as knowledge like any other knowledge,

    Let the society and law take care of any misuse.

  5. Zinjifar

    Zinjifar Silver Meritorious Sponsor

    Great. We have our 'lowest common denominator'

    And, no need for the 'Church' of Scientology, the Sea Org; 'Scientology Ethics'; Disconnection; 'Clearing the Planet' or 'KSW'.

  6. Vinaire

    Vinaire Sponsor

    Scientology is supposed to enhance one's self-determination in the direction of pan-determination.

    I do not see that the current Church set-up is moving in that direction. It is more or less dramatizing the Christian Church.

  7. Div6

    Div6 Crusader

    The *medieval* xtian church.
  8. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa


    He's picking his nose now!!!

    He's like Billy Pilgrim, moving to different points in his life whenever he blinks!
  9. Björkist

    Björkist Silver Meritorious Patron

    Maybe he's in a bouncer?
  10. Vinaire

    Vinaire Sponsor

    That goes naturally with contemplating. :D

  11. Bea Kiddo

    Bea Kiddo Crusader

    Do you do that in math class too?:whistling:
  12. Vinaire

    Vinaire Sponsor

    Come and find out! Bring your camera.

    (Thank you for providing me this opportunity to promote my Math Club by creating a mystery sandwich.)

  13. Bea Kiddo

    Bea Kiddo Crusader

    Thats a long trip for me.... but maybe someday.... (actually my dad lives close to CW, unbelievably).
  14. Vinaire

    Vinaire Sponsor

    He can come then, and find it out for you. :D

    Last edited: Sep 23, 2007
  15. Free to shine

    Free to shine Shiny & Free

    I can't say I ever witnessed those magical abilities in people higher up the "Bridge" any more often than I did with "wogs". It depends on your own awareness and belief in yourself I think. In fact I witnessed declines in friends and family as they progressed, like financial hardship and sickness which no amount of explaination on the basis of PTSness etc were satisfactory. :yes:
  16. Pascal

    Pascal Silver Meritorious Patron


    Heaven in Scientology would be regaining "native state" permanently. Hell would be total oblivion.

    Speaking for myself, I often feel in heaven as I hack away at my case and recover awareness and life force. Just walking around and becoming amazed at a bird or a nice piece of ass and knowing that I'm on an adventure that will bring me to native state. Of course living with people not on this road is a bummer and brings me down at times, or I bring them up. Scientology is an adventure. The Church though, can make it a nightmare, as in McPhearson and many here.
  17. Div6

    Div6 Crusader

    Heaven is just an implant location


    Well, I have been to Heaven.

    And I've found that Scientologists have been to Heaven.

    And that everybody has evidently been to Heaven.

    The Goals Problem Mass implants, which are the apparent basic source of aberration and human travail, which begin with the goal To Forget, were cynically done "in Heaven".

    For a long time, people have been cross with me for my lack of co-operation in believing in a Christian Heaven, God and Christ. I have never said I didn't disbelieve in a Big Thetan but there was certainly something very corny about Heaven et al. Now I have to apologize. There was a Heaven. Not too unlike, in cruel betrayal, the heaven of the Assassins in the 12th Century who, like everyone else, dramatized the whole track implants - if a bit more so.

    Yes, I've been to Heaven. And so have you. And you have the pattern of its implants in the HCO Bulletin Line Plots. It was complete with gates, angels and plaster saints - and electronic implantation equipment. So there was a Heaven after all - which is why you are on this planet and were condemned never to be free again - until Scientology.

    Before you went to Heaven you were not really very bad or very good, but you didn't think you had lived only once and you had a good memory and knew who you were and enjoyed life. Afterwards ---

    The symbol of the crucified Christ is very apt indeed. It's the symbol of a thetan betrayed.


    See link above for the rest of this HCOB.