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Martyworld Tech

Discussion in 'MartyWorld' started by Caroline, Jul 5, 2012.

  1. looker

    looker Patron Meritorious

    Yep Tech theft LRH was great at that.

    From what I've accidentally bumped into and read; Luckily SOME of the old timers are digging up stuff that worked from the 1960s research teams. But are not calling it Scientology. It might be referred to as Allan's stuff or John McMaster's stuff or Creation of Human Ability stuff, Pilots stuff Paul's stuff.

    I think if somebody wants to do that and it works for them and does no harm, that's great for them.
  2. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    "Close to a hundred former members of the Church of Scientology have sojourned to our home to resolve their Scientology experiences. The vast majority leave still considering themselves Scientologists, and better ones than they were when they arrived. A smaller part of that majority continue on with their pursuit of higher levels of Scientology counseling and studies."

    Marty Rathbun, from 'What's Wrong with Scientology?'


    "Every individual person has their own comm line to LRH. And certain things have happened in the Church over a number of years that have gotten in between that comm line... ARC broken... whatever it is, that serves to cut across your comm line with LRH...

    "Whatever is going to facilitate your own comm line with LRH is going to be the most pro-survival thing for you..."

    Dan Koon, editor for 'What's Wrong with Scientology?'
  3. PirateAndBum

    PirateAndBum Gold Meritorious Patron

    Yikes! Marty, Marty, Marty! This makes it quite clear where his head is at. Maybe another 8 years out and he'll see his folly. One can hope.
  4. Mike Laws

    Mike Laws Patron Meritorious


    I have not actually read his book, so don't know what he says about it. What I know about it is here is a station, in coordination with other stations, but not all stations. There are at least a dozen people on ESMB that work on it, few if any Marty or Scilon fans. I know anons that are part of the network, as well as people that were never involved in any aspect of Scientology. I take mild offense to the insinuation, as I suspect would more long term and dedicated people supporting the railroad like Chuck Beaty, and die hard aussies and all of those who don't want public recognition or fame. Ursula Caberta is absolutely part of the network, and has done more than any other person to help many dozens of people in Germany.

    It is, IMHO people who have gone through hell working to help others recover with less time in hell. It is a good thing, a loose network of
  5. Mark A. Baker

    Mark A. Baker Sponsor

    Absolutely, Mike. The important thing is the work being done to help people escape an abusive cult. Their beliefs and ideology are not a key determinant.

    Mark A. Baker
  6. Caroline

    Caroline Patron Meritorious

    I wrote this KR to debrief on a handling I did on my former husband after he exposed himself prematurely to the Xenu incident. I remember being petrified that he would get pneumonia and die.

    [1] FSM: Field Staff member.

    [2] C/S: Case supervisor

    [3] DA: Dead agent. I DAed the article by saying that what was written about OT 3 was false. It was not false.

    One of the most embarrassing things about this KR is how it demonstrates such an amazing lack of insight about this ridiculous handling. "Lie to your husband about Xenu, so he won't get pneumonia and die." I was so relieved that it worked.

    In light of the above KR, Rathbun's and the Indies' handling for the Xenu story doesn't seem so odd to me. But it is every bit as stupid and dishonest.
    Last edited: Jul 7, 2012
  7. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    [Note: J. Swift was once a critic of Scientology who, for unknown reasons, had become a passionate supporter of Marty&Mike&Friends. He has since disappeared, and there is no desire to revisit any old arguments with this material, but it does seem to be relevant to the current situation, with regard to showing patterns.]

    J. Swift noted, "Unlike the scofflaw Gerry Armstrong, David Mayo signed a non-disclosure agreement and abides by the terms."


    One wonders about the ultimate motive behind the game being played. As much as I dislike Miscavige, and as much as I appreciate any one who is contributing to the already decades-long exposure of Miscavige's abuses, I, for one, am not interested in being a manipulated or "played."

    A J. Swift quote, an excerpt:

    "Where Scientology is concerned, Mainstream Culture has swung to supporting the Independent practice of Scientology...

    "There are no mainstream journalists, academics, or popular authors who oppose Independent Scientology.

    "Those of us who support the Indies are growing in numbers."

    This is where we are being led, and I am not interested in going there.

    We are experiencing an attempted "handling."
  8. Caroline

    Caroline Patron Meritorious

    I would like to read the rest of your explanation or thought, please. To my knowledge, Rathbun has never denied using Scientology tech on his targeted public.

  9. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on



    "Every individual person has their own com line with LRH."

    Okay, I got that. I really duplicate that. Let me find my own com line with LRH, make myself known and find out what is needed and wanted.

    How do I find him? Jeez! Okay, let me just locate "the being".

    I am picking up that he is out there (pointing up) in outer space. That indicates.

    Wait, I think I just found him. Ummmm, he is a used car salesman on Krzheb. That's kind of disappointing, but I did it, I have a com line.

    (SENDING IN THE THETA UNIVERSE): "Hey Ron, it's me, HelluvaHoax!"

    Ron is not answering. Let me try again.


    I guess he is kinda busy right now closing a deal with a customer. Let me see what he is saying. . .

    (RON): "This baby is a cream puff--this car is going to change your life. Let me tell you a fact about this particular car. Back when I was living on Earth I had this very same model and it brought me unbelievable luck. True story. You see, I was blind and crippled, but after I bought it, I was totally cured. Well, naturally the governments of Earth invited me to lecture the entire world about this miracle. And--now I wasn't expecting anything like this--but all the people demanded that I become the King of Earth. So I ruled them and created a world without war and insanity and criminality. They begged me to stay, but I told them I needed to travel to all the planets and disseminate this miracle good luck technology to all the people in the universe. Now, we've only got one of these cars left in stock, so before I can sell it to you, I will need to approve your ethics and contributions to my private non-profit foundation. Hey, I can't just sell this car to anybody!"

    Wow, Ron is just staring at him and smiling that big weird Ron grin and the customer is getting seriously creeped out. OMG, the guy is reaching for his checkbook.

    Ron always was a closer. And VVGI's too!
  10. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on

    ANSWER: The FZ. Ron's Org in particular. They are the only one that stayed on Source with truly pathetic, mental, cringey music.


  11. PirateAndBum

    PirateAndBum Gold Meritorious Patron

    I'd be interesting to hear what Jason has to say about this "quote". If that's what he meant, somehow I think Marty has put his own spin on it.

    Maybe Jason said, "yeah the way to handle Scientology is to disconnect from it.", and Marty took that as a Scientological handling? :duh::biggrin:
  12. Caroline

    Caroline Patron Meritorious

    Could be. Rathbun is spinning why Jason "never reached out again for more Scientology counseling." First of all, how on Teegeeack would Rathbun know whether or not Jason reached out again for more Scientology counseling? That's ridiculous. Does Rathbun have PIs on Jason?

    Rathbun seems to imply a lapse in Jason's logic, for failing to act according to the truth, as resonating in Rathbun. In KSW Scientology, it is a terrible indicator when pcs fail to re-sign for more Scientology counseling. For one thing, it implies bad technical results, i.e., squirreling.

    Failing to re-sign means auditors are missing withholds.

    But Rathbun seems to be bragging about Jason's acceptance of Independent Scientology and Rathbun's Underground Railroad, and in particular how Jason was able to put his negative church experiences behind him. "HANDLED SITUATIONS WHICH RESULT IN THE TOTAL ACCEPTANCE OF SCIENTOLOGY AND ITS FOUNDER THROUGHOUT THE AREA" is a Department 20 Department of Special Affairs VFP (Valuable final product).
  13. Caroline

    Caroline Patron Meritorious

    J Swift made that statement in this post on 10 Sept 2011, shortly after Rathbun and Caberta announced their alliance in Hamburg.
  14. Smilla

    Smilla Ordinary Human

  15. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    Yes, it was fairly cleverly done - setting up his propaganda message with "Catholic priests raping children," and the "Crusades," and "rights," and "justice," etc.

    However, once the set up is absent, the message is not so pretty. It has all the appeal of a North Korean propaganda poster.
  16. Mark A. Baker

    Mark A. Baker Sponsor

    From 30 years of observing independents & exes I'd say it's pretty much the normal pattern. It is though I agree especially noticeably among those who consider themselves as 'loyal to the memory of ron'.

    The fact of leaving the church forces them to consider the need to reappraise the idea of what is or is not of value in scientology. That inevitably leads to assigning priorities with regard to their understanding of scientology. Not all aspects have equal value and they decide for themselves their own rankings as to what is important. Eventually they achieve a level of comfort with their present beliefs & priorities.

    The problem occurs when they encounter others who claim to be 'loyal to ron' yet who have different views about priorities and importance. When these sorts of conflicts arise they can represent not only difference of opinion but indications of 'disloyalty to ron' coming from someone who nonetheless has portrayed himself as a fellow traveler. In such an event a lot of the emotional upset nurtured and created by years of frustration & abuse within the church is displaced into flame wars and factionalism.

    The betrayals experienced in the church are never far buried in the emotional palette. They easily resurface in the face of emotional conflict and the perception of opposition.

    The same attitudes develop among other exes, including those who have no loyalty to ron whatsoever. However, the loyalists rarely interact with the avowedly disloyal, and vice versa. Their 'realities' are so different as to lead to little basis for exchange.

    I agree. Many have a difficult time reaching such a point though, largely due to their own past upsets and their own assigning of rankings of importances.

    Mark A. Baker
  17. Caroline

    Caroline Patron Meritorious

    No, this is false and squirrelly. I’m amazed that the Indie Scientologists aren’t outraged by this book, because it is so “out-KSW.” The fact that they are not outraged and disconnecting from Rathbun makes me think differently about their participation in Indie Scientology.

    Hubbard defined "tech" in Dianetics and Scientology Technical Dictionary.

    How infantile.

    Rathbun flaunts his "out-KSW" criminality in his recent book, as though he's acting from some second rate Golden Era Productions script to demonstrate Scientology heresy. And his Free Radical Scientologists are going right along with this ridiculous "reality" show.

  18. Jquepublic

    Jquepublic Silver Meritorious Patron

    I think we read two different books! :)

    The Indies are free to reject ANY policy letter, bulletin or advice from Hubbard, including KSW 1. And more power to them! Cults depend on dogmatic, slavish devotion and literal interpretation for their survival. Get rid of the dogmatic approach, get rid of the cult.

    I've read it over twice now and I find the approach that is spelled out in Marty's book to be far saner than anything I was presented with during my decade of service in the cult. If the Indies actually DO think for themselves and have enough freedom to actually be ABLE to say "I don't like that policy so I won't apply it" then I don't see why anyone would want to pick them apart for that, except of course for the corporate church itself. I sure don't have an issue with it.

    Edit: I should clarify...I'm of the opinion that the only way to HAVE some workability from Scientology is to squirrel it. I think the harm it may be capable of inflicting on another is only present if it's followed dogmatically. I think that is true of all of Scientology and specifically of the OT levels - I mean, how could anyone benefit from running someone else's case??
    Last edited: Jul 9, 2012
  19. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    Have any "wogs" fallen for the show yet?

    The message to the "wogs" seems to be: The specifics of what Hubbard wrote don't matter, since Scientology works - and produces results. So all those words you "wogs" are complaining about Hubbard having said are unimportant, compared to the results Scientology can produce.

    It's results we Scientologists care about!

    Problem is, I'm still waiting for the first "handled wog" to appear.

    Are there any "wogs" out there who have been "handled" by Marty's book?

    At the same time, inside MartyWorld, behind the scenes, the message seems to be that first priority goes to one's "comm line with LRH," so that doesn't sound like, "We only care about results."

    Mmmmm.... Look like a tap dance from here.
  20. TG1

    TG1 Angelic Poster

    I'm cornfused.

    Marty's evil is he's KSW.

    But he's even eviler if he's NOT KSW?

    I admit I don't care about this stuff nearly as much as Veda and Caroline do, but I really was trying to follow the plot.