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Masturbation in Scientology

Discussion in 'Evaluating and Criticising Scientology' started by Alanzo, May 31, 2009.

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  1. La La Lou Lou

    La La Lou Lou Crusader

    My god I've saved myself so much money by leaving! :eyeroll:
     
  2. La La Lou Lou

    La La Lou Lou Crusader

  3. Maria Cuervo

    Maria Cuervo Gold Meritorious Patron

    I probably did them but it still didn't come up. I left at the beginning of the 80s so sec checks were not performed as a required action on everyone, just if deemed needed. I did them only if needed, and keep in mind that if one of those items on the list were reading, I'd take it up. Maybe I just don't remember, since it did not seem particularly important, whether or not that question sometimes read. I probably only did about 2-3 sec checks in my life. In general I audited and C/Sed people up the bridge. Tons of sec checking was not done in my time. I am thankful for that.

    You know, I am reading the questions and now I realize that I NEVER C/Sed anyone to receive that list or ran that list to a pc I was auditing. If I did it was so uncommon that I don't even remember it. Phew. What a relief not to have put anyone through that.

    I recall doing a typical interview on pcs coming in and it checked for things that would alert me to type 3s and criminals and overall gave us a sense of the person's issues on various 'dynamics'. Other than that, no to the below. And to my knowledge I've never received such processes either. Or perhaps I do not recall.

    What would be really weird is to consider that the below list might have also been run on children and minors!

    Interesting that protestants don't have 'confession' since there is no intermediary between man and God, including a confessor. (If I recall correctly only Lutherans do some form of confession as do Catholics and Anglicans). The concept of priests being able to confess children is viewed by protestants as a usurping of parental authority! Of course children within Scientology SO belong to CoS and the parents have zero authority. And children are expected to run every lurid process since, who knows, maybe they did this sort of thing in a past life! Isn't that abusive??? (COMPLETELY ASININE!)

     
    Last edited: Apr 12, 2015
  4. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    Some of my greatest gains in Scn were in the area of sec checks.

    Can't remember grade 2. Was done by a well known auditor, who
    became class VIII. John Belmaine. I was perhaps his first PC.

    Then when new ethics checksheet came out went to folo and did
    O/W write ups, and then IIRC false data stripping re 2D. Was good!

    NB I was an E/O during my time on staff.


    Then I read the data re false purpose rundown and it seemed to
    me that it would be really good for me. Volunteered.Was run by
    London C/S Israeli Vickie? Cohen. Friend of Tami Lemburger.

    Did the general first form.

    One of the best actions I did. Possibly exceeding OT 2&3.

    Just want to point out that done in a safe environment with
    intention to help and increase ability and awareness these processes
    can be EXTREMELY benificial.

    Why has the catholic church stuck with them?

    Clearly any tool can be abused. The abuse of this one is legion in CO$!
     
  5. Maria Cuervo

    Maria Cuervo Gold Meritorious Patron

    Legion for sure. The Catholics view confession as a sacrament whereas most Protestants rebelled against its misuse, among other theological differences, and don't consider a go between is needed (a confessor or priest). For Protestants to confess it privately to God is enough. It is hard for me to think the word tool in conjunction with the sacred or spiritual. I admit that. If I was ever sec checked I have no memory of it, probably was not as I left before all those things came down. Historically The whole concept of confession is highly linked in modern times to psychiatry, legal systems etc. the below link is only an abbreviated summary of the extensive work done on this topic by historian/philosopher Foucault in his "history of sexuality". Here discussed is the relation of truth to sexuality, power, confession, control - all highly applicable to the CoS version.

    http://peterfletcher.com.au/2010/08/10/foucault-on-confession/
     
  6. Maria Cuervo

    Maria Cuervo Gold Meritorious Patron

    A short cite from the link I just posted above:

    "Foucault’s thoughts on confession take a recursive loop back to the panopticon. In Discipline and Punish Foucault outlined a diagram of surveillance that described how individuals within a surveillance society internalise the rules and regulations of their own subjection. And it is here that the outworking of the confession is at its most effective.

    Through confession individuals take an active role in their own surveillance acting at once as the governor and the governed, the prison and the warder, the watcher and the watched. By confessing all that is within, all that is hidden and all that can be known individuals deliver to power the means by which a person can be forgiven, counselled, punished, dealt with, judged and corrected. The promise of lifetime care of the soul through better health, elevated social status or greater riches is the irresistible mirage that compels one to confess. But the even more compelling mirage is the promise that confession will finally deliver to the individual the truth of who they are or who they ought to be, the secret of the heretofore hidden self."
     
  7. Maria Cuervo

    Maria Cuervo Gold Meritorious Patron

  8. Techless

    Techless Patron Meritorious

    Just how did this subject "pop up"!
     
  9. La La Lou Lou

    La La Lou Lou Crusader

    That book needs to be read. Thanks for that, I only glanced at the 'Victorian' bit. The bourgeoisie certainly were prim and proper, but meantime in the workers houses, two bedrooms, ten kids and a granny there was no prudery. People would fill up the tin bath and bathe in the kitchen regardless of who came in to borrow some sugar. Working class morality was different and so was that of the nobilitiy.

    Dave's regime is certainly prudish, but not really, to shame people by reading out confessions at a muster about masturbation would not have been the Victorian way. The bourgeoisie don't talk about it, they would have to misspronounce it to show how little they knew on the subject, Years ago there was no prudery in the SO, much bed hopping was done, and quite openly, especially in crowded sea vessels where couples slept in bunks. This current obsession with hand jobs is from the top.

    DAVID MISCAVIGE has a problem with 'self abuse', it's not scn it's not policy or books it's that little shrimp, either he himself is beating off five times a day, or he is unable to.

    The other thing is that sex and masturbation are pleasurable, it's about the only pleasure a sea org member can have upstat or down stat he or she can always make life bearable with a few minutes work. Dave doesn't like that, he tells someone when they can feel pleasure, he's in control and actually I think it's just that. Control is a big factor with him on the second dynamic, which he personally redefined. He simply doesn't like happy love making couples, like to send one to a different continent and then makes a big deal when the guy rubs himself off. CONTROL FREAK! And then wops them into ethics because their dynamics are out of alignment!!!!!
     
  10. WildKat

    WildKat Gold Meritorious Patron

    I'd like to see a supermarket magazine run with that headline! Think how many In's would see that while waiting to pay for their groceries and think "My gawd, it's true!! I just spent two weeks at Flag and half of it was spent on exactly THAT! WTF am I doing????"

    It might wake some of them up.
     
  11. Cat's Squirrel

    Cat's Squirrel Gold Meritorious Patron

    I've done a quick Internet research for articles on this subject, and this one in particular caught my attention. The language is great throughout and I love the word "stupration" (though you'd probably need a dictionary of the calibre of the British Chambers, the full Oxford ED or maybe Webster's 3rd International to find out what it means)

    http://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/ecco/004778409.0001.000/1:4?rgn=div1;view=fulltext

    Maybe DM read it?
     
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  12. Veda

    Veda Sponsor


    Your "greatest gains" are from the most discredited parts of the Scientology "Bridge."

    Bizarre.


    Below is a link to the Standard Security Check (second one down in the link), and several other Security Checks, including the Children's Security Check:

    http://www.religio.de/books/kaufman/isd-5i.htm

    A small sampling of some of the Security Check questions:


    Have you ever had anything to do with pornography?

    Have you ever practiced homosexuality?

    Have you ever exhibited yourself sexually?

    Have you ever practiced sodomy?

    Have you ever made a practice of having sex with a member of your own sex?

    Do you collect sexual objects?

    Have you ever practiced masturbation?


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    Have you ever had any unkind thoughts
    about L. Ron Hubbard?
     
  13. SPsince83

    SPsince83 Gold Meritorious Patron

    My greatest gains came from masturbating with a copy of Intro to BScn Ethics in hand. The best part was sticking all the pages together so nobody could ever read it again. BScn.:lol: Sometimes I crack myself up.:bong:
     
  14. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    Yes, the most abused part of the scientology bridge. Discredited is
    questionable. The Catholic church uses this as well. Probably other religions also.

    Its a common perception that "Confession is good for the soul."

    Note that I wanted to do these things and they weren't "security checks" but
    were done for enhancement purposes and for me were done in a safe
    environment. As I've from time to time mentioned I've lived a charmed life.
    The FPRD I did in around 1991 and this was on my initiation. I got the best
    auditor available, she was also the C/S. I've read many accounts of people
    who are wrecked by FPRD's from that time. Spoke to my auditor and tried
    to persuade her to join her israeli friends in the FZ. Sadly she remains loyal.
    Hope going clear opens the door a crack.
     
  15. Elronius of Marcabia

    Elronius of Marcabia Silver Meritorious Patron

    So these were questions for Hoobard right ? does anyone know how he answered ?:melodramatic:

    Interesting how this list of questions all concern sex of one form or another and then ends
    with unkind thoughts about Hoobard ? WTF how creepy is that !!:omg: when you think it can't get any weirder
    it does :ohmy:
     
  16. Maria Cuervo

    Maria Cuervo Gold Meritorious Patron

    What an ugly world Scientology is building, where pleasure is controlled by a wizard behind a curtain.
     
  17. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    See preceding link for all the questions.

    Besides being a means of accomplishing thought policing and making happily round ball bearings, it's a means to collect blackmail-able, or compromising, information on people.

    "Have you ever criminally avoided taxes?"
     
  18. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    Have a cookie and some milk.
     
  19. Udarnik

    Udarnik Gold Meritorious Patron

    I think the Affirmations might have more than a few answers, there. :biggrin:
     
  20. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    Something that never occurred to me while I was 'in', but which seems blindingly obvious with the benefit of hindsight and a clearer understanding of the true nature of the 'church'.

    Show me someone who said 'no' to all of those questions and I'll show you a bare-faced liar.