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Monique reportedly fires her legal team.

Discussion in 'Monique Rathbun' started by George Layton, Feb 1, 2016.

  1. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    Chris Shelton (Galactic Patrol > Jefferson Hawkins • 3 hours ago

    From Tony's page by Chris Shelton:

    Re: Red I think that is precisely why she is withdrawing - she wanted CofS out of her life - NOT to fight with them.

    Also Tony's post of update #3 was just plain crass. I wouldn't want to give him the time of day if he posted that about me.

  2. tetloj

    tetloj Silver Meritorious Patron

    Agree that Mosey is tired and over it - but why fire your litigation team before settlement, when there are stilll matters before the court.

    Debbie Cook had Ray J on her side for the settlement

    Very curious :confused2:
  3. Knows

    Knows Gold Meritorious Patron

    My bet - they took blood money and part of the deal was to fire the legal team as part of the spin

    This is KSW - keeping Scientology working :eyeroll:

    The only ones who win in Scientology are blown high ranking officials who get blood money in exchange for silence

    David Miscavige

    and cock roach attorney's

    everyone else loses

    Just think - someone was regged out of their 401 K and IRA and Stock portfolio and inheritance to gag another blown High Ranking Offical ex Scientologist / BDA
  4. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    If I recall correctly, Before the IAS was something called the legal fund to help Mary Sue and the GO fight the legal battle. It was cleverly morphed into the IAS. Mick knows the history.

    So, all scientologists who donate to the IAS, are actually donating money to lawyers in future court cases, should somebody sue the COS (IAS = legal fund, and not the shore story of helping mankind)

    The kicker is, for example, if one Bob Duggan who has donated millions to the IAS, should he have a change of heart, why all the money he donated would be used to sue or counter sue him to settle or STFU. That's why it's called Sea Org reserves.

    the same money Bob Duggan donated to the IAS would be used to counter sue him.
  5. arcxcauseblows

    arcxcauseblows Patron Meritorious

    who cares about a battle when they won the war, the war is over too scientology just doesn't know it
  6. prosecco

    prosecco Patron Meritorious

    It's a good point. I have no idea how the legal bills are being paid, but would hazard a guess that Ray Jeffrey was not being paid by the hour as the avalanche of filings, motions, discovery, would be overwhelming. My understanding is that Ray Jeffrey, while not exactly a one many band, has a small law practice unlike the C of S who have employed some of the most prestigious law firms.

    What is odd is that there is no replacement of counsel.
  7. programmer_guy

    programmer_guy True Ex-Scientologist

    Did they ever request financial aid through internet means to pay legal costs?
  8. prosecco

    prosecco Patron Meritorious

    No, but Marty was instrumental in raising funds for others to help with legal costs, Debbie Cook and Claire and Marc Headley. He also produced a a document which he published accounting for all the money send to him.
  9. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

    While I have no inside information, I am confident the following is true to the same extent I am confident the sun will rise in the morning.

    Ray Jeffrey was not being paid hourly. Marty and Monique couldn't possibly afford it. Jeffrey had the case on a contingent fee arrangement -- i.e., he fronted all costs (e.g., filing fees, charges for service of process, copying costs etc.) and did the legal work without hourly payment in exchange for a percentage of the recovery (typically 25% to 50%, depending on whether the case is settled before trial, goes to trial, etc.). Thus, the lawyer gets paid only if the lawyer wins.

    As I recall, commentator Texas Lawyer on the Underground Bunker (correctly) noted that Ray Jeffrey's statement that they were terminated "without cause" is lawyer-speak for saying they were going to assert a lien on any recovery. Typically, if a contingent fee attorney does significant work on a case, gets fired before there is a recovery, and then the client gets a monetary recovery, the attorney has a lien on the recovery for the value of the services rendered or value added. That rule is designed to prevent a lawyer from being screwed by doing significant -- perhaps years of -- work on a contingent fee case only to have the client fire him right before settlement with the client (or new attorney-client combination) receiving ALL of the money.

    This appears to be an amazingly screwed up situation.
  10. prosecco

    prosecco Patron Meritorious

    Right, so the, 'without cause,' is an indication that the lawyer was not negligent or being dismissed because of incompetence? Monique signed those papers, if I recall, so would have consented.

    So the rule that a lawyer who was retained on a contingency basis will still get a percentage of any settlement, with the possibility obviously that if there is no settlement, then the lawyer has absolutely zero control over the negotiations.

    If it was a personal issue with Marty and Ray Jeffrey, then there were other lawyers in his firm, so would guess the firing all of them was to send a message, Wow.
  11. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    I don't think there is a qualifier that your legal team does NOT negotiate the settlement.. I would think that having your legal team negotiate 'outside the court arena' would still be considered an out of court settlement. In other words, the court is left out of the loop and legal teams can be involved OR in this case it seems as though Moniques legal team is not.....that is what seems so weird about this news. But keep in mind this is only the beginning of the release of this news and more detail and facts I hope are sure to follow and too also clarify the whole thing.

    ""Out-of-Court Settlement
    An agreement reached between the parties in a pending lawsuit that resolves the dispute to their mutual satisfaction and occurs without judicial intervention, supervision, or approval.
    An out-of-court settlement provides that the parties relinquish their rights to pursue judicial remedies.
    West's Encyclopedia of American Law, edition 2. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc. All rights reserved.""

  12. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

    Yes, that is correct.
    She is the only client in this case. Only she could fire her attorney.
    If the attorney was fired without cause, then the attorney will likely get a percentage of any settlement. Such an attorney would have no control or influence over the negotiations. Conversely, if the attorney was discharged "with cause," then the attorney is not entitled to a share of the recovery.
  13. tetloj

    tetloj Silver Meritorious Patron

    As Debbie Cook's lawyer, Ray Jeffrey would have taken a % from Debbie's settlement. It has been my understanding (educated guess?) that this became a war chest to pay for Mosey's action, contingent on a large settlement there also.
  14. ILove2Lurk

    ILove2Lurk Lisbeth Salander

    Time for me to air my Marty out-rud again, couched as a humorous aside.
    I wonder if I could assert a lien on any recovery. Marty's share, that is. :hmm:

    By 1988 Marty had raided LRH's former ranch several times and absconded with a treasure trove of auditing folders and research notes. He knew by then (with total certainty I'm presuming) that OT 9&10 did not exist in any way, shape or form. However, that did not stop the RTC, which he was the head of at the time, from sending out an information letter in '91-92 from its office about OT 9&10 and regging money for the non-existent fantasy levels.

    Possibly, that's a fraud he was directly complicit in. :whistling:

    I wonder if I can get my $32K back from any future proceeds. Marty's share, that is. Can I get in line?
    I know better. Just like to get in some well-deserved licks now and then. :coolwink: :shrug:
  15. Reasonable

    Reasonable Silver Meritorious Patron

    That being said, he is going to recover costs, I don't think she could simply stop the case and he loses all the time and money he put into the case. Therefore there has to be a settlement involved. Lawyers don't simply lose money, they always protect themselves and Marty is not going to pay him out of his "book and blog" money.
  16. Balthasar

    Balthasar Patron Meritorious

    What does Marty mean here? Fairgame, intentional libel, anybody can explain?
  17. Balthasar

    Balthasar Patron Meritorious

    Is Marty saying that Tony Ortega and his sources are incorrect, so it's libel? Or that the Church could file a libel case against Monique. No that's not possible, or is it?
  18. ThetanExterior

    ThetanExterior Gold Meritorious Patron

    I think this has already been answered on this thread.

    It is probably regarding the "Update 3" comment on Tony Ortega's blog.
  19. Chess

    Chess Patron with Honors

    I really have many agreements with what you say.
    The one thing that makes my butt go really tight within your words is contained within the sentence:
    Miscavige will not allow them...
    The power miscavige has is absolutely relevant to the ability to view anything within scientology - what a fucking joke that statement is. It is absurd, that idiot is no more than a money junkie and is having a hard time controlling his success at stealing so much money. Marty's and Monique's position is indeed unique but can it be seen that they are so easy bought (eventually)? ABSOLUTELY!
    The power and influence of money & lawyers reaches the top level of every society. Can anyone give me any successful politician who isn't a lawyer? Or cannot afford the fees to be so well advised...
    Geezers, are we so affected by this anomaly in justice being served that we consider miscavige in a position to dictate, fuck that little asshole.
    I know I'm not being exactly realistic, but shit... (once again) fuck that little asshole!
  20. He-man

    He-man Hero extraordinary


    Actually terrible sad to hear this is how it vent down.