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"New" geological data on OT III

Discussion in 'Evaluating and Criticising Scientology' started by Hubbardianen, Nov 1, 2010.

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  1. uniquemand

    uniquemand Unbeliever

    These "stories", IMO, that are contained in Hubbard's recordings, are the contents of Hubbard's and others' case. They shouldn't be picked up by other people and audited. They are, by definition, delusions that came off the case.

    The purpose of auditing, if you were going to package it in a way that was designed to help people, instead of dominate them, would be to confront these delusions and pick them apart, until they cease controlling your thoughts and emotions. However, you don't pick up SOMEONE ELSE'S delusions, you look at your own.

    The truth doesn't lie in the case of any individual. After stripping away delusion, senses and filters are more capable of rendering the actual world "out there", but at no point does a person reach absolute truth, nor can their case history or memory be considered truth.

    The goal is improvement in affect, self-determinism, willingness and ability to posit new goals for self and then move towards them effectively.
  2. nozeno

    nozeno Gold Meritorious Patron

    No comment.

  3. uniquemand

    uniquemand Unbeliever

    Yep. The contents of other person's memories are not mine. Some people imagine clockworks. Others imagine alien abduction. Others were tortured and abducted by elves. Still others believe in gods, spirits or other disembodied supernatural phenomena.

    I don't even take my own memories seriously, nevermind other people's, or their dimly reconstructed delusions about the origin of a universe they weren't alive to see.
  4. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    Some links re. some antecedents of Scientology:

    The 'Equinox', early 1900s -

    "The method of Science. The aim of religion":

    Some early processes, circa 1911:

    'On the union of psychotherapy and spiritual exploration', 1937:

    'The Sole Source Myth' thread (somewhat derailed after page 6):
  5. Hubbardianen

    Hubbardianen Patron

    Yep, Hubbard probably gathered lots of ideas and got lot of help from his auditors. However, I believe he was special in that he had an ability to write and put all of this together in a way nobody else could've done.

    Also, I'm not so interested in WHO did what, but more of what's true and what works.

    Regarding case I agree everybody are different. However, there might be shared incidents on the track that might affect at least most of us and those incidents could be mentioned to help auditing.
  6. ILove2Lurk

    ILove2Lurk Lisbeth Salander

    . . .
    More startling evidence about the impact that created
    a huge crater called Chicxulub 66 million years ago.

    Leaving this link here for future readers. Not in my
    wheelhouse, but a fascinating read.

    Hope we don't get hit by another one, that's for sure!
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  7. Gib

    Gib Crusader


    you wouldn't even know you had a "case" unless Hubbard said you had a "case". How is it that you believed you had a "case"?

    There is no whole track case.

    Why on earth do you believe what Hubbard said, open your eyes and see for yourself. Are there any clears or OT's?
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