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Discussion in 'New Member Introductions' started by ImNoAlien, Jan 31, 2017.

  1. Out/Int

    Out/Int Patron with Honors

    No offense to anyone here - but please don't operate as if Scientology follows any policies.

    When it comes to money - Scientologist's are criminals and will do whatever it takes to steal yours and keep it and spin you around so you give up.

    They also use FEAR.

    Scientology scams like no other business on planet earth.
  2. NoName

    NoName A Girl Has No Name

    Do you have a consumer watchdog reporter in your city? Could make for a real shitshow ride the coattails of Leah Remini if you went down that path. I, for one, would buy my popcorn at Costco for such a story.
  3. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    None taken. I think the perfect example of what happens when a trusting Scientologist places faith in Church policy is Debbie Cook's famous email. Maybe she had lost faith by then but she wrote the letter as though the Scientologists reading it still did. Knowing what we know, there was never a chance for any kind of meaningful reform.

    However, if you ask for a refund without reading up on the policy and they start to twist you around then you really will be set up for a fail. You should at least be able to throw the references back at them.

    And be prepared for an epic "salvage" operation. Don't go alone.
  4. ThetanExterior

    ThetanExterior Gold Meritorious Patron

    I got money back from my org in the UK quite a few years ago. This was money I had on account that I hadn't used.

    They agreed to repay the money without me doing a routing form but they asked for time because the org didn't have any money.

    I gave them a few months then a few more months then I decided to stop "being reasonable" and took them to court.

    They gave me the money the day before the court case. They had to get it from the Advanced Org.
  5. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    Was that small claims court?

  6. Jump

    Jump Operating teatime

    Probably the small clams court

  7. Out/Int

    Out/Int Patron with Honors

    I believe hundreds, if not thousands of people before us - threw the policies at them.

    That was one of many reason's that I left.

    It won't matter.

    The only thing Scientology listens to - is Public Relations.

    One must hit that Achilles heal or you won't have a chance.

    The other clever trick L Ron Hubbard designed in his slick tech - is putting so many people on posts so no one knows what the other is doing.

    The Registrar hits you up for a chunk of money - money you don't have but they wore you down and exploited your vulnerability.

    You are in debt and hurting.

    You are pissed you caved in - the Registrar called me a "BIG BEING" and said I would pull in more money because LRH says the Universe deplores a vacuum (true story for many of us) - greatest good for greatest number of dynamics etc...

    You file bankruptcy and lose home to foreclosure.

    The Registrar has no idea this happened to you. In fact, you are not allowed to speak critically, complain or spew entheta at the ORG - so NO ONE KNOW THAT EVERYONE is hurting, financially ruined and pissed off.

    LRH weaves his clever tech into his "help" so you never tell anyone. If you bring it up in auditing - the auditor will turn the table on you and ask YOU WHAT ARE YOUR CRIMES..etc...they have been trained to introvert you if you start criticizing Scientology, tech or Scientologists.

    If you tell the EO - they will say things like "Why did YOU do that" and "I was not there" if you natter about the Registrar's slick tactics.

    People's true conditions are kept hidden from others views. One must really take a look at their fellow Scientologist's and see what shape they are in.

    The tiny group in our ORG are acting crippled in life, failing, financially broke, not achieving their goals BUT putting on an act as if they are doing great. It took a while for me to see it.
  8. ThetanExterior

    ThetanExterior Gold Meritorious Patron

    Yes, it was under £5,000 and the org still couldn't repay it.
  9. phenomanon

    phenomanon Canyon

    My post was offensive. It even offends me when i read it.
    I'm sorry.
    My message was badly worded and insulting.
    I apologize.
  10. I told you I was trouble

    I told you I was trouble Suspended animation

    I didn't think it was offensive when I read it, but I suppose (as with any post) it depends on how you read it and how well you know the writer ... message boards can be tricky that way, we all know you so know you meant it in the best possible way.

    Anyway I'm glad ImNoAlien is out and hope all goes well in the future.


  11. Out/Int

    Out/Int Patron with Honors

    Now there..there Phenomanon!! :console:It's all good.

    That was just a little of that Scientology Side Effect - Stimulus Response Implant the ole man implanted in you.

    You are just running it out!

    You are a good soul!:yes:
  12. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    Welcome ImNoAlien

    Regarding your repayment ( deposited money on account ) not used. It might be small enough to be taken into small claims court. As far as I know no lawyers allowed to present your case or scn theirs. I wouldn't be surprised that they beg you to settle out of court But get everything written and properly notarized. Don't trust one single word from the org.
  13. Moosejewels

    Moosejewels Patron Meritorious

    I N A,

    In your initial post, you make a very simple and profound point when you refer to the fact that the Scios have all the answers. Until you ask them to help you with a problem and they tactfully talk your ass off and never answer or help you. Took me many years to realize that point. Amongst a multitude of other BS that I finally, to use their word, "cognited" on. Good luck in your future endeavors outside the "protective shield" of Ronnyland.
  14. ImNoAlien

    ImNoAlien Patron

    Very reassuring to know they won't be able to set their attack dog lawyers on me if I take it to small claims court. Thank you.

    I'm still in the early stages of arranging things, my requests from a statement of the amount on my account and an account history have so far been ignored by the ED, who was happy to text and call and ask if I needed anything until she realised I do actually need something. Since then, radio silence. I feel I need to go in to get an answer, but I'd rather stay away from the Org and the serpent-tongued Registrar if I can.
  15. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    Unfortunately, winning a small claims case doesn't guarantee payment. You may have to file a request to have the police physically collect. It would be interesting to see how this has played out with other cases.
  16. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    1) don't stop your action based on waiting for the org/ED to give you anything. Typical delay tactic on their part. And another foot bullet for them when they have to perjure themselves before the court judge.
    2) takes trip down to the small claims court and or inform yourself on their website.
    3) contact legal aid to help you adequately prepare.
    4) contact some media ie: paper, radio, TV and Tony Ortega so they can record your case development and for moral support.
    5) keep a log/ diary including mental and emotional and financial stress along the way

    Don't do any of the above on my "say so". It is your life. You choose.
    Last edited: Feb 6, 2017
  17. Karen#1

    Karen#1 Gold Meritorious Patron

    When you post the story of your rip off or Scam in the internet site called "Rip off report" it is there for the world to read 24/7/365.
    And not just MONEY rip off.
    Others have reported their kids ripped off for the Sea Org and then the disconnection.
    What a great idea to report family rip offs. It is a rip-off. Moms give birth and raise their kids and aggresssive recruiters snatch them and then cult uses them for their stats.

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  18. ImNoAlien

    ImNoAlien Patron

    Hi all, dragging this post up for an update.

    I have finally managed, after weeks of asking, to obtain a copy of my account statement. Actually, a photograph of a copy, but it's all there. I have a letter prepared to complete with the last details, exact amount etc, but I do not want to send it via snail mail nor let the Org have access to my new address to reply, and the only email I have is the personal email of the Day ED.

    So, my question is, how do I find out where to send this request to without setting off alarm bells that this is what I'm sending them?

    On a personal note - I'm feeling more and more fortunate by the day that I have been able to make this decision to leave without the need to experience the horrors I would have otherwise had to go through had I not been able to research and find the accounts of so many survivors. I hope that many more people like myself are able to benefit from the wisdom of your shared experiences.
  19. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    Could you clarify what you are asking for? Do you want to know where to look up org email addresses? How to deliver a physical letter without using the postal service? Or what?

  20. ImNoAlien

    ImNoAlien Patron

    It would be nice to be able to lookup the email address, I didn't really think it would be that easy. Would prefer to be able to look up the details without having to ask the org for their email thus letting them postulate why I am asking for it.