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Nolch&Alanzo on Scn haters

Discussion in 'Scientology-related Videos' started by Veda, Apr 12, 2017.

  1. PeterPier

    PeterPier Patron

    OMG! Next he'll start calling Jews "haters" when they complain about NAZISM. Only the criminally insane calls cult victims "haters" when they attack the cult that victimized them.
  2. I told you I was trouble

    I told you I was trouble Suspended animation

    Some people didn't get enough (of the right sort of) attention as children, others got too much of it ... both types ended up being attention seeking brats as adults!

    Apparently I received just the right amount and am completely perfect.

    (Lotus ... don't say it, don't even think it!).


  3. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    I would not go to that extent of calling out criminally insane such actions.. However, I would point out that his using the pejorative hater towards those victims is a trait of a syndrome of malignant necrophilia because it attacks the victims of the criminally insane who have run the scientology organizations.

    But maybe I am just splitting coiffed hairs.
  4. AndyNolchisOSA

    AndyNolchisOSA New Member

    Andy Nolch and his supposedly anti-COS Scientology videos are part of an OSA psy-op. I have evidence of this, but I am not willing to reveal it as it will reveal my identity. You can believe it or not, your prerogative.
  5. I told you I was trouble

    I told you I was trouble Suspended animation

    Welcome to ESMB and thanks for this .... he does appear to be a bit "strange" so it wouldn't totally surprise me but I don't think anyone around here really cares ... it's been impossible to take any of them seriously since they strapped/nailed cameras to their heads a few years ago in an attempt to intimidate Marty.


  6. tesseract

    tesseract Patron with Horrors

    Without further proof, I'm not buying it. Let me explain why.
    CoS has a playbook, laid out by their founder, and in the past they've been notoriously stuck to it, even though David Miscavige the great F├╝hrer could take a lot of artistic license - to actually behave more machiavellian, slyer, smarter in the handling of critics and criticism. Whether that'd mean in the individual cases to be more cruel or benevolent, is entirely up to him, I refer to "machiavellian" in the sense of what Machiavelli recommended in the book "The Prince". (Which everyone should read by the way, as it's no difficult or long read either.) That means to implement successful strategies for public relations, regardless of their ethical or unethical nature. :p That can mean to kill, threaten, deceive, slander, but also to bribe, remunerate, compliment or appease somebody, entirely depending on the requirements of the situation.
    David Miscavige seems not to be stupid in the IQ sense, but he seems so emotionally immature and compromised by his narcissistic and vengeful issues that his scope is visibly limited in the face of a "threat". If David Miscavige were to take Machiavelli & Co. serious (or any paid "wog" advisor he could consult, for that matter) and apply strategies that actually are in his and CoS' best long term interest, then from time to time we should see something "benevolent" and appeasing. Not just hopelessly cheesy and pathetic faux "social betterment" photo ops but something that sways a bit more people than a handful of hopelessly dumbed down SJWs, or people who also are into crap like televangelists, or some religious scholars who are thoroughly corrupted by money or their own frantic urge to protect their religion from the growing pressure of atheism. Instead, the (faux) benevolent aspect is entirely missing in David Miscavige's playbook. If I look between the lines... With David Miscavige, it's stomp, stomp, whine, whine, hissyfit, whine, hissyfit, whine, threaten, *glugluglug*, stomp. :)
    His priorities are flawed. We've been getting hate pages and "campaigns" whenever it's clear critics begin to piss him off personally, and not just when they're being particularly damaging to CoS.

    In the light of the history of that unflexible decisions it is untypical for them/him to resort to anything like false-flagging an indie or teaming up with an indie, even if it's just about money.
    It is something you or me might find halfways "smart" to do, but would Miscavige do it?
    Please understand, in case you don't know, that there have been similar, unsubstantiated conspiracy theories in the past, - Emma is CoS, Emma's buddies are CoS, one third of ESMB are CoS (e.g. paid actors), Marty is CoS,... (Yes, there's some new data on that one which makes the case interesting again, acknowledged... but then, it looks more like Marty being a particularly stubborn stupid twat recently, maneuvring himself into a corner, rather than any elaborate long term strategy or scheme, for which he IMO is not clever enough.) I'm sure I forgot some. These people provided no proof and hardly any arguments as well, and would get angry when people wouldn't just take it all at face value. :no:
    I'm wondering, is the same going to happen here? :coolwink:
    A lot of other people are going to react similar.
    In the face of past similar CoS conspiracy theories which have been put out there notoriously unsubstantiated, please provide more proof, or at least arguments to sway us. Otherwise I'm asserting wishful thinking alone.

    Personally I'm a big fan of Chris Shelton, and many people here are too. He has a hate page now, so it's clear he's annoying David Miscavige. Andy is a twat, and as CommunicatorIC points out aptly, a dangerous, fanatic fascist twat who should be watched closely. I have no vested reason to defend him or to assume he is CoS or not CoS (neither is a compliment ... for each of the parties :biggrin: ), aside from their past strategy of unequivocally antagonizing and harassing all independent scientologists. Your hypothesis that he is part of a CoS scheme is intriguing (I love to speculate about David Miscavige) but in the light of past events I'll remain sceptical.
    Last edited: Apr 21, 2017
  7. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    Maybe they are. Distraction can be a very useful part of a multi part OP.

    A) find or create something of which is or will focus attention off of the B)main OP.

    Magicians use this often. Shysters use it often. Hubbard used it often ( oh didn't I say that in the last sentence)

    So what are the methods or steps for Psy-ops how do we know them? Can they be delineated then summarized? ... which of those are being used in this claimed OSA psy-op? Does the evidence which cannot be revealed at the moment support or point to such methods? If the 'evidence' doesn't support then maybe it is not really pertinant or valuable evidence?

    Hell, I dont know...just discussing some thoughts around the issue.
  8. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    Thanks for this. I have recently read Erich Fromm's book "The nature of Human Destructiveness" . In the first few chapters a not of huge interest to me but they do lay some good ground for Part 3 where in my opinion the real very informative information lays. The title of that part is

    The Varieties of Aggression and Destructiveness and Their Respective Conditions

    It contains... this very pertinant information

    Malignant Aggression:

    Cruelty and Destructiveness 268 Apparent Destructiveness 268 Spontaneous Forms 270 The Historical Record 270 Vengeful Destructiveness 271 Ecstatic Destructiveness 274 The Worship of Destructiveness 276 Kern, von Salomon: A Clinical Case of Destruction Idolatry 276 The Destructive Character: Sadism 280 Examples of Sexual Sadism/Masochism 282 Joseph Stalin: A Clinical Case oj Nonsexual Sadism 285 The Nature oj Sadism 288 Conditions That Generate Sadism 296 Heinrich Himmler: A Clinical Case of Anal-Hoarding Sadism

    pages 288-89
    Against this, I propose that the core of sadism, common to all its manifestations, is the passion to have absolute and unrestricted control over a living being, whether an animal, a child, a man, or a woman. To force someone to endure pain or humiliation without being able to defend himself is one of the manifestations of absolute control, but it is by no means the only one. The person who has complete control over another living being makes this being into his thing, his property, while he becomes the other being's god. Sometimes the control can even be helpful, and in that case we might speak of a benevolent sadism, such as one finds in instances where one person rules another for the other's own good, and in fact furthers him in many ways, except that he keeps him in bondage. But most sadism is malevolent. Complete control over another human being means crippling him, choking him, thwarting him. Such control can have all forms and all degrees.

    ... It is the transformation of impotence into the experience of omnipotence; it is the religion of psychical cripples.